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From: Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@amd.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	"K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>, "Dexuan Cui" <decui@microsoft.com>,
	Ajay Kaher <ajay.kaher@broadcom.com>,
	"Alexey Makhalov" <alexey.amakhalov@broadcom.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	<xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/16] x86/tdx: Override PV calibration routines with CPUID-based calibration
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 03:56:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <854j19niwv.fsf@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z6JqopU5LkDIZPq6@google.com>

Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 04, 2025, Nikunj A Dadhania wrote:
>> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
>> 
>> > When running as a TDX guest, explicitly override the TSC frequency
>> > calibration routine with CPUID-based calibration instead of potentially
>> > relying on a hypervisor-controlled PV routine.  For TDX guests, CPUID.0x15
>> > is always emulated by the TDX-Module, i.e. the information from CPUID is
>> > more trustworthy than the information provided by the hypervisor.
>> >
>> > To maintain backwards compatibility with TDX guest kernels that use native
>> > calibration, and because it's the least awful option, retain
>> > native_calibrate_tsc()'s stuffing of the local APIC bus period using the
>> > core crystal frequency.  While it's entirely possible for the hypervisor
>> > to emulate the APIC timer at a different frequency than the core crystal
>> > frequency, the commonly accepted interpretation of Intel's SDM is that APIC
>> > timer runs at the core crystal frequency when that latter is enumerated via
>> > CPUID:
>> >
>> >   The APIC timer frequency will be the processor’s bus clock or core
>> >   crystal clock frequency (when TSC/core crystal clock ratio is enumerated
>> >   in CPUID leaf 0x15).
>> >
>> > If the hypervisor is malicious and deliberately runs the APIC timer at the
>> > wrong frequency, nothing would stop the hypervisor from modifying the
>> > frequency at any time, i.e. attempting to manually calibrate the frequency
>> > out of paranoia would be futile.
>> >
>> > Deliberately leave the CPU frequency calibration routine as is, since the
>> > TDX-Module doesn't provide any guarantees with respect to CPUID.0x16.
>> 
>> Does TDX use kvmclock?
>
> A TDX guest can.  That's up to the host (expose kvmclock) and the guest (enable
> kvmclock).
>
>> If yes, kvmclock would have registered the CPU frequency calibration routine:
>> 
>> 	tsc_register_calibration_routines(kvm_get_tsc_khz, kvm_get_cpu_khz,
>>  					  tsc_properties);
>> 
>> so TDX will use kvm_get_cpu_khz(), which will either use CPUID.0x16 or
>> PV clock, is this on the expected line ?
>
> What do you mean by "is this on the expected line"?  If you are asking "is this
> intended",

Yes, that is what I meant.

> then the answer is "yes, working as intended".  As above, the TDX-Module
> doesn't emulate CPUID.0x16, so no matter what, the guest is relying on the untrusted
> hypervisor to get the CPU frequency.  If someone thinks that TDX guests should
> assume the CPU runs as the same frequency as the TSC, a la SNP's Secure TSC, then
> they are welcome to propose such a change.

Ok, that makes sense.

Regards
Nikunj


  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-05  3:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-01  2:17 [PATCH 00/16] x86/tsc: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 01/16] x86/tsc: Add a standalone helpers for getting TSC info from CPUID.0x15 Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03  5:55   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-03 22:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05 22:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 15:01   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 17:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 18:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 19:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 02/16] x86/tsc: Add standalone helper for getting CPU frequency from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 03/16] x86/tsc: Add helper to register CPU and TSC freq calibration routines Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 17:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 17:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 20:32       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-12 16:49         ` Tom Lendacky
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 04/16] x86/sev: Mark TSC as reliable when configuring Secure TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04  8:02   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 05/16] x86/sev: Move check for SNP Secure TSC support to tsc_early_init() Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04  8:27   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 06/16] x86/tdx: Override PV calibration routines with CPUID-based calibration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04 10:16   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-04 19:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05  3:56       ` Nikunj A Dadhania [this message]
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 07/16] x86/acrn: Mark TSC frequency as known when using ACRN for calibration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 08/16] x86/tsc: Pass KNOWN_FREQ and RELIABLE as params to registration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 14:48   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-02-03 19:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 09/16] x86/tsc: Rejects attempts to override TSC calibration with lesser routine Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 10/16] x86/paravirt: Move handling of unstable PV clocks into paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 11/16] x86/paravirt: Don't use a PV sched_clock in CoCo guests with trusted TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 12/16] x86/kvmclock: Mark TSC as reliable when it's constant and nonstop Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 13/16] x86/kvmclock: Get CPU base frequency from CPUID when it's available Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 14/16] x86/kvmclock: Get TSC frequency from CPUID when its available Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 15/16] x86/kvmclock: Stuff local APIC bus period when core crystal freq comes from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 16/16] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop Sean Christopherson
2025-02-07 17:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-08 18:03     ` Michael Kelley
2025-02-10 16:21       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-12 16:44         ` Michael Kelley
2025-02-12 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 14:39 ` [PATCH 00/16] x86/tsc: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 16:28   ` Sean Christopherson

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