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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Using PCI config space to indicate config location
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:03:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y5jfwxmr.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5073F9D4.5060000@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:

> On 10/09/2012 05:16 AM, Rusty Russell wrote:
>> Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com> writes:
>>> We'll never remove legacy so we shouldn't plan on it.  There are
>>> literally hundreds of thousands of VMs out there with the current virtio
>>> drivers installed in them.  We'll be supporting them for a very, very
>>> long time :-)
>> 
>> You will be supporting this for qemu on x86, sure.  As I think we're
>> still in the growth phase for virtio, I prioritize future spec
>> cleanliness pretty high.
>
> If a pure ppc hypervisor was on the table, this might have been
> worthwhile.  As it is the codebase is shared, and the Linux drivers are
> shared, so cleaning up the spec doesn't help the code.

Note that distros have been (perhaps unknowingly) shipping virtio-pci
for PPC for some time now.

So even though there wasn't a hypervisor that supported virtio-pci, the
guests already support it and are out there in the wild.

There's a lot of value in maintaining "legacy" support even for PPC.
 
>> But I think you'll be surprised how fast this is deprecated:
>> 1) Bigger queues for block devices (guest-specified ringsize)
>> 2) Smaller rings for openbios (guest-specified alignment)
>> 3) All-mmio mode (powerpc)
>> 4) Whatever network features get numbers > 31.
>> 
>>> I don't think we gain a lot by moving the ISR into a separate BAR.
>>> Splitting up registers like that seems weird to me too.
>> 
>> Confused.  I proposed the same split as you have, just ISR by itself.
>
> I believe Anthony objects to having the ISR by itself.  What is the
> motivation for that?

Right, BARs are a precious resource not to be spent lightly.  Having an
entire BAR dedicated to a 1-byte register seems like a waste to me.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-09 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87zk4c2tqq.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-04 18:49 ` [Qemu-devel] Proposal for virtio standardization Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <874nmajcmj.fsf@codemonkey.ws>
2012-10-08  2:21   ` Using PCI config space to indicate config location Rusty Russell
     [not found]   ` <87y5jhpuu2.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-08 13:58     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <87bogddq0l.fsf@codemonkey.ws>
2012-10-08 14:58       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 15:09         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 20:13           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-08 20:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-08 23:56               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  1:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09  3:16                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09  6:33                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-09 15:26                     ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <87wqyzll8r.fsf@codemonkey.ws>
2012-10-09 20:24                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-10-10  2:54                         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                         ` <87zk3v6npm.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-10 13:36                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-10 13:41                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  0:43                               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                   ` <87haq48hds.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-09 10:17                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-10-09 14:03                       ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-10-09 13:56                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-09 21:09                     ` Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                     ` <874nm3ycj8.fsf@codemonkey.ws>
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10 11:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                     ` <20121009210901.GY14867@jl-vm1.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
2012-10-10  3:44                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11  0:08                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-10  8:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-10  8:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11  1:18       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-11 10:23         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-11 22:29           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]           ` <87391k7icv.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-12  9:33             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-12  9:51               ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-12 10:02                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:15                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                   ` <87k3uqpngi.fsf@rustcorp.com.au>
2012-10-16 13:30                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-10-16 13:52                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-10-09 14:02 ` Proposal for virtio standardization Cornelia Huck
     [not found] ` <20121009160201.5303a7ca@BR9GNB5Z>
2012-10-10  3:46   ` Rusty Russell

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