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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: Mathew John <mathewj@microsoft.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	John Starks <John.Starks@microsoft.com>,
	kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@kernel.org>,
	Niels Ferguson <niels@microsoft.com>,
	Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hepkin <davidhep@microsoft.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Jake Oshins <jakeo@microsoft.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Standardizing an MSR or other hypercall to get an RNG seed?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:35:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrU55Q68BQkYuLBuviG_WO3wpebFCps7gLJezTX-QaOB9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL54oT1QB3MKYkWf7y+_zKuxVqyr7L+32AuKuPAMwyXcXUkjFA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Nakajima, Jun <jun.nakajima@intel.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>> Might Intel be willing to extend that range to 0x40000000 -
>> 0x400fffff?  And would Microsoft be okay with using this mechanism for
>> discovery?
>
> So, for CPUID, the SDM (Table 3-17. Information Returned by CPUID) says today:
> "No existing or future CPU will return processor identification or
> feature information if the initial EAX value is in the range 40000000H
> to 4FFFFFFFH."
>
> We can define a cross-VM CPUID range from there. The CPUID can return
> the index of the MSR if needed.

Right, sorry.  I was looking at this sentence in SDM Volume 3 Section 35.1:

MSR address range between 40000000H - 400000FFH is marked as a
specially reserved range. All existing and
future processors will not implement any features using any MSR in this range.

That's not really a large enough range for us to reserve an MSR for
this.  However, KVM, is already using MSRs outside that range: it uses
0x4b564d00-0x4b564d04 or so.  I wonder whether KVM got confused by the
differing ranges for cpuid leaves and MSR indices.

Any chance that Intel could reserve a larger range to include the KVM
MSRs?  It would also be easier if the MSR indices for cross-HV
features were constants.

Thanks,
Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-18 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-18  2:50 Standardizing an MSR or other hypercall to get an RNG seed? Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 14:40 ` KY Srinivasan
     [not found] ` <2aa00301e9af4826b5781e01709f81e7@BY2PR0301MB0711.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 14:43   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 15:38     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 15:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 15:58         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 16:36       ` KY Srinivasan
     [not found]       ` <5b9c7dcde3824e49a25f3ee00844b868@BY2PR0301MB0711.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 17:13         ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 17:17           ` Paolo Bonzini
     [not found]           ` <541B13B8.1020006@redhat.com>
2014-09-18 17:20             ` Jake Oshins
2014-09-18 17:20             ` KY Srinivasan
     [not found]             ` <b697ef83ae594d8fb34347339dd52dfa@BY2PR0301MB0711.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 17:42               ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 18:35                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 18:39                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 18:54                     ` Niels Ferguson
2014-09-18 19:03                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 21:54                         ` David Hepkin
     [not found]                         ` <572ba53a2e1e4278823f718a421e2c1d@BY2PR03MB585.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-19  6:04                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 18:58                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 19:07                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 21:21                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 21:35                         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-09-18 21:46                       ` David Hepkin
     [not found]                       ` <0180a8dfcad746a895755c4374853c16@BY2PR03MB585.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 21:57                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 22:07                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19  0:49                             ` Nakajima, Jun
     [not found]                             ` <CAL54oT1Q8kABge=t4s5REVWWakboON-6vfszMRkVz=ks_3vRoA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-09-19  1:03                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19  1:28                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                 ` <CALCETrWZ1cF23aT82yGfTKS48d2G+_Od7hEkAzDWzDhqpHNVqA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-09-19 16:14                                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-19 16:22                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-19 16:40                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:21                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 17:36                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:39                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 22:05                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 22:06                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 22:57                                           ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-19 22:57                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 23:12                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 23:29                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 23:29                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 23:35                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 23:41                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-20  0:06                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 22:00                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 22:03                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 16:37                           ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 16:40                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 16:53                               ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 17:08                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:15                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 17:18                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:49                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 18:02                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 18:12                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 18:20                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 20:53                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-22  4:11                                               ` Alok Kataria
2014-09-19 17:18                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:21                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 17:59                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-18 18:56                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-19 18:30 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-19 18:42   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 20:21     ` Nadav Amit
     [not found]     ` <15C8041A-3488-4693-B329-3A9FE77A0CB9@gmail.com>
2014-09-19 20:46       ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 21:46         ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 13:31           ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-22 14:17             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 14:18               ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 23:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-21 12:39         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-22 13:33     ` Christopher Covington

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