From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: Mathew John <mathewj@microsoft.com>,
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
John Starks <John.Starks@microsoft.com>,
kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@kernel.org>,
Niels Ferguson <niels@microsoft.com>,
Linux Virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
David Hepkin <davidhep@microsoft.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Jake Oshins <jakeo@microsoft.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Standardizing an MSR or other hypercall to get an RNG seed?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:35:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrU55Q68BQkYuLBuviG_WO3wpebFCps7gLJezTX-QaOB9Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL54oT1QB3MKYkWf7y+_zKuxVqyr7L+32AuKuPAMwyXcXUkjFA@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Nakajima, Jun <jun.nakajima@intel.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>
>> Might Intel be willing to extend that range to 0x40000000 -
>> 0x400fffff? And would Microsoft be okay with using this mechanism for
>> discovery?
>
> So, for CPUID, the SDM (Table 3-17. Information Returned by CPUID) says today:
> "No existing or future CPU will return processor identification or
> feature information if the initial EAX value is in the range 40000000H
> to 4FFFFFFFH."
>
> We can define a cross-VM CPUID range from there. The CPUID can return
> the index of the MSR if needed.
Right, sorry. I was looking at this sentence in SDM Volume 3 Section 35.1:
MSR address range between 40000000H - 400000FFH is marked as a
specially reserved range. All existing and
future processors will not implement any features using any MSR in this range.
That's not really a large enough range for us to reserve an MSR for
this. However, KVM, is already using MSRs outside that range: it uses
0x4b564d00-0x4b564d04 or so. I wonder whether KVM got confused by the
differing ranges for cpuid leaves and MSR indices.
Any chance that Intel could reserve a larger range to include the KVM
MSRs? It would also be easier if the MSR indices for cross-HV
features were constants.
Thanks,
Andy
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-18 21:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-18 2:50 Standardizing an MSR or other hypercall to get an RNG seed? Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 14:40 ` KY Srinivasan
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2014-09-18 14:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 15:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 15:44 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 15:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 16:36 ` KY Srinivasan
[not found] ` <5b9c7dcde3824e49a25f3ee00844b868@BY2PR0301MB0711.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 17:13 ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 17:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
[not found] ` <541B13B8.1020006@redhat.com>
2014-09-18 17:20 ` Jake Oshins
2014-09-18 17:20 ` KY Srinivasan
[not found] ` <b697ef83ae594d8fb34347339dd52dfa@BY2PR0301MB0711.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 17:42 ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 18:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 18:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 18:54 ` Niels Ferguson
2014-09-18 19:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 21:54 ` David Hepkin
[not found] ` <572ba53a2e1e4278823f718a421e2c1d@BY2PR03MB585.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-19 6:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 18:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-18 19:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 21:21 ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-18 21:35 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2014-09-18 21:46 ` David Hepkin
[not found] ` <0180a8dfcad746a895755c4374853c16@BY2PR03MB585.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2014-09-18 21:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 22:07 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 0:49 ` Nakajima, Jun
[not found] ` <CAL54oT1Q8kABge=t4s5REVWWakboON-6vfszMRkVz=ks_3vRoA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-09-19 1:03 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 1:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWZ1cF23aT82yGfTKS48d2G+_Od7hEkAzDWzDhqpHNVqA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-09-19 16:14 ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-19 16:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-19 16:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 17:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:39 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 22:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 22:06 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 22:57 ` Nakajima, Jun
2014-09-19 22:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 23:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 23:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 23:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 23:35 ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-09-19 23:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-20 0:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-18 22:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-18 22:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 16:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 16:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 17:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 18:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 18:12 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-19 18:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 20:53 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-22 4:11 ` Alok Kataria
2014-09-19 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-19 17:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 17:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2014-09-18 18:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-19 18:30 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-19 18:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 20:21 ` Nadav Amit
[not found] ` <15C8041A-3488-4693-B329-3A9FE77A0CB9@gmail.com>
2014-09-19 20:46 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-19 21:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 13:31 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-22 14:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 14:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-22 23:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-09-21 12:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-09-22 13:33 ` Christopher Covington
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