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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Christian Brauner" <christian.brauner@canonical.com>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	joro@8bytes.org, "Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Yongji Xie" <xieyongji@bytedance.com>,
	"Dan Carpenter" <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	songmuchun@bytedance.com, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Greg KH" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, bcrl@kvack.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Mika Penttilä" <mika.penttila@nextfour.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 13:49:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YOL/9mxkJaokKDHc@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8320d26d-6637-85c6-8773-49553dfa502d@redhat.com>


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On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 11:36:15AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> 在 2021/7/4 下午5:49, Yongji Xie 写道:
> > > > OK, I get you now. Since the VIRTIO specification says "Device
> > > > configuration space is generally used for rarely-changing or
> > > > initialization-time parameters". I assume the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
> > > > ioctl should not be called frequently.
> > > The spec uses MUST and other terms to define the precise requirements.
> > > Here the language (especially the word "generally") is weaker and means
> > > there may be exceptions.
> > > 
> > > Another type of access that doesn't work with the VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG
> > > approach is reads that have side-effects. For example, imagine a field
> > > containing an error code if the device encounters a problem unrelated to
> > > a specific virtqueue request. Reading from this field resets the error
> > > code to 0, saving the driver an extra configuration space write access
> > > and possibly race conditions. It isn't possible to implement those
> > > semantics suing VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG. It's another corner case, but it
> > > makes me think that the interface does not allow full VIRTIO semantics.
> 
> 
> Note that though you're correct, my understanding is that config space is
> not suitable for this kind of error propagating. And it would be very hard
> to implement such kind of semantic in some transports.  Virtqueue should be
> much better. As Yong Ji quoted, the config space is used for
> "rarely-changing or intialization-time parameters".
> 
> 
> > Agreed. I will use VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG in the next version. And to
> > handle the message failure, I'm going to add a return value to
> > virtio_config_ops.get() and virtio_cread_* API so that the error can
> > be propagated to the virtio device driver. Then the virtio-blk device
> > driver can be modified to handle that.
> > 
> > Jason and Stefan, what do you think of this way?

Why does VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG need to support an error return value?

The VIRTIO spec provides no way for the device to report errors from
config space accesses.

The QEMU virtio-pci implementation returns -1 from invalid
virtio_config_read*() and silently discards virtio_config_write*()
accesses.

VDUSE can take the same approach with
VDUSE_DEV_GET_CONFIG/VDUSE_DEV_SET_CONFIG.

> I'd like to stick to the current assumption thich get_config won't fail.
> That is to say,
> 
> 1) maintain a config in the kernel, make sure the config space read can
> always succeed
> 2) introduce an ioctl for the vduse usersapce to update the config space.
> 3) we can synchronize with the vduse userspace during set_config
> 
> Does this work?

I noticed that caching is also allowed by the vhost-user protocol
messages (QEMU's docs/interop/vhost-user.rst), but the device doesn't
know whether or not caching is in effect. The interface you outlined
above requires caching.

Is there a reason why the host kernel vDPA code needs to cache the
configuration space?

Here are the vhost-user protocol messages:

  Virtio device config space
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  +--------+------+-------+---------+
  | offset | size | flags | payload |
  +--------+------+-------+---------+

  :offset: a 32-bit offset of virtio device's configuration space

  :size: a 32-bit configuration space access size in bytes

  :flags: a 32-bit value:
    - 0: Vhost master messages used for writeable fields
    - 1: Vhost master messages used for live migration

  :payload: Size bytes array holding the contents of the virtio
            device's configuration space

  ...

  ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG``
    :id: 24
    :equivalent ioctl: N/A
    :master payload: virtio device config space
    :slave payload: virtio device config space

    When ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` is negotiated, this message is
    submitted by the vhost-user master to fetch the contents of the
    virtio device configuration space, vhost-user slave's payload size
    MUST match master's request, vhost-user slave uses zero length of
    payload to indicate an error to vhost-user master. The vhost-user
    master may cache the contents to avoid repeated
    ``VHOST_USER_GET_CONFIG`` calls.

  ``VHOST_USER_SET_CONFIG``
    :id: 25
    :equivalent ioctl: N/A
    :master payload: virtio device config space
    :slave payload: N/A

    When ``VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_CONFIG`` is negotiated, this message is
    submitted by the vhost-user master when the Guest changes the virtio
    device configuration space and also can be used for live migration
    on the destination host. The vhost-user slave must check the flags
    field, and slaves MUST NOT accept SET_CONFIG for read-only
    configuration space fields unless the live migration bit is set.

Stefan

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     [not found] <20210615141331.407-1-xieyongji@bytedance.com>
     [not found] ` <20210615141331.407-4-xieyongji@bytedance.com>
2021-06-17  8:33   ` [PATCH v8 03/10] eventfd: Increase the recursion depth of eventfd_signal() He Zhe
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2021-06-18  8:41       ` He Zhe
2021-06-18  8:44       ` [PATCH] eventfd: Enlarge recursion limit to allow vhost to work He Zhe
2021-07-03  8:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <20210615141331.407-10-xieyongji@bytedance.com>
2021-06-21  9:13   ` [PATCH v8 09/10] vduse: Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Jason Wang
     [not found]     ` <CACycT3tAON+-qZev+9EqyL2XbgH5HDspOqNt3ohQLQ8GqVK=EA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-22  5:06       ` Jason Wang
     [not found]         ` <CACycT3uzMJS7vw6MVMOgY4rb=SPfT2srV+8DPdwUVeELEiJgbA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-22  7:49           ` Jason Wang
     [not found]             ` <CACycT3uuooKLNnpPHewGZ=q46Fap2P4XCFirdxxn=FxK+X1ECg@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-23  3:30               ` Jason Wang
     [not found]                 ` <CACycT3u8=_D3hCtJR+d5BgeUQMce6S7c_6P3CVfvWfYhCQeXFA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-24  3:34                   ` Jason Wang
     [not found]                     ` <CACycT3uCSLUDVpQHdrmuxSuoBDg-4n22t+N-Jm2GoNNp9JYB2w@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-24  8:13                       ` Jason Wang
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2021-06-25  3:08                           ` Jason Wang
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2021-06-28  4:40                               ` Jason Wang
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2021-06-29  3:29                                   ` Jason Wang
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2021-06-29  4:03                                       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-24 14:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]     ` <CACycT3vaXQ4dxC9QUzXXJs7og6TVqqVGa8uHZnTStacsYAiFwQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-30  9:51       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]         ` <CACycT3t6M5i0gznABm52v=rdmeeLZu8smXAOLg+WsM3WY1fgTw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-01  7:55           ` Jason Wang
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2021-07-02  3:25               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07  8:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found] ` <20210615141331.407-11-xieyongji@bytedance.com>
2021-06-24 13:01   ` [PATCH v8 10/10] Documentation: Add documentation for VDUSE Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]     ` <CACycT3uxnQmXWsgmNVxQtiRhz1UXXTAJFY3OiAJqokbJH6ifMA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-30 10:06       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]         ` <CACycT3taKhf1cWp3Jd0aSVekAZvpbR-_fkyPLQ=B+jZBB5H=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-07-01 13:15           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-05  3:36               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-05 12:49                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-07-06  2:34                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-06 10:14                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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     [not found]                             ` <YOVr801d01YOPzLL@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
2021-07-07  9:24                               ` Jason Wang
2021-07-07 15:54                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-07-08  4:17                                   ` Jason Wang
2021-07-08  9:06                                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-06 10:22                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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2021-07-08  9:07                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-24 15:12 ` [PATCH v8 00/10] Introduce VDUSE - vDPA Device in Userspace Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-06-28 10:33 ` Liu Xiaodong
2021-06-28  4:35   ` Jason Wang
2021-06-28  5:54     ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-29  4:10       ` Jason Wang
2021-06-29  7:56         ` Liu, Xiaodong
2021-06-28 10:32   ` Yongji Xie
2021-06-29  4:12     ` Jason Wang
     [not found]       ` <CACycT3vVhNdhtyohKJQuMXTic5m6jDjEfjzbzvp=2FJgwup8mg@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-29  7:33         ` Jason Wang

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