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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@amd.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,
	 "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	 "K. Y. Srinivasan" <kys@microsoft.com>,
	Haiyang Zhang <haiyangz@microsoft.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>,  Dexuan Cui <decui@microsoft.com>,
	Ajay Kaher <ajay.kaher@broadcom.com>,
	 Alexey Makhalov <alexey.amakhalov@broadcom.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev,  linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org,
	jailhouse-dev@googlegroups.com,  kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	 Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/16] x86/tdx: Override PV calibration routines with CPUID-based calibration
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 11:29:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6JqopU5LkDIZPq6@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85r04e5821.fsf@amd.com>

On Tue, Feb 04, 2025, Nikunj A Dadhania wrote:
> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
> 
> > When running as a TDX guest, explicitly override the TSC frequency
> > calibration routine with CPUID-based calibration instead of potentially
> > relying on a hypervisor-controlled PV routine.  For TDX guests, CPUID.0x15
> > is always emulated by the TDX-Module, i.e. the information from CPUID is
> > more trustworthy than the information provided by the hypervisor.
> >
> > To maintain backwards compatibility with TDX guest kernels that use native
> > calibration, and because it's the least awful option, retain
> > native_calibrate_tsc()'s stuffing of the local APIC bus period using the
> > core crystal frequency.  While it's entirely possible for the hypervisor
> > to emulate the APIC timer at a different frequency than the core crystal
> > frequency, the commonly accepted interpretation of Intel's SDM is that APIC
> > timer runs at the core crystal frequency when that latter is enumerated via
> > CPUID:
> >
> >   The APIC timer frequency will be the processor’s bus clock or core
> >   crystal clock frequency (when TSC/core crystal clock ratio is enumerated
> >   in CPUID leaf 0x15).
> >
> > If the hypervisor is malicious and deliberately runs the APIC timer at the
> > wrong frequency, nothing would stop the hypervisor from modifying the
> > frequency at any time, i.e. attempting to manually calibrate the frequency
> > out of paranoia would be futile.
> >
> > Deliberately leave the CPU frequency calibration routine as is, since the
> > TDX-Module doesn't provide any guarantees with respect to CPUID.0x16.
> 
> Does TDX use kvmclock?

A TDX guest can.  That's up to the host (expose kvmclock) and the guest (enable
kvmclock).

> If yes, kvmclock would have registered the CPU frequency calibration routine:
> 
> 	tsc_register_calibration_routines(kvm_get_tsc_khz, kvm_get_cpu_khz,
>  					  tsc_properties);
> 
> so TDX will use kvm_get_cpu_khz(), which will either use CPUID.0x16 or
> PV clock, is this on the expected line ?

What do you mean by "is this on the expected line"?  If you are asking "is this
intended", then the answer is "yes, working as intended".  As above, the TDX-Module
doesn't emulate CPUID.0x16, so no matter what, the guest is relying on the untrusted
hypervisor to get the CPU frequency.  If someone thinks that TDX guests should
assume the CPU runs as the same frequency as the TSC, a la SNP's Secure TSC, then
they are welcome to propose such a change.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-04 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-01  2:17 [PATCH 00/16] x86/tsc: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 01/16] x86/tsc: Add a standalone helpers for getting TSC info from CPUID.0x15 Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03  5:55   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-03 22:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-05 22:13   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 15:01   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 17:25     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 18:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 19:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 02/16] x86/tsc: Add standalone helper for getting CPU frequency from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 03/16] x86/tsc: Add helper to register CPU and TSC freq calibration routines Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 17:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 17:43     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 20:32       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-02-12 16:49         ` Tom Lendacky
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 04/16] x86/sev: Mark TSC as reliable when configuring Secure TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04  8:02   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 05/16] x86/sev: Move check for SNP Secure TSC support to tsc_early_init() Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04  8:27   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 06/16] x86/tdx: Override PV calibration routines with CPUID-based calibration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-04 10:16   ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-04 19:29     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-02-05  3:56       ` Nikunj A Dadhania
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 07/16] x86/acrn: Mark TSC frequency as known when using ACRN for calibration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 08/16] x86/tsc: Pass KNOWN_FREQ and RELIABLE as params to registration Sean Christopherson
2025-02-03 14:48   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-02-03 19:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 09/16] x86/tsc: Rejects attempts to override TSC calibration with lesser routine Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 10/16] x86/paravirt: Move handling of unstable PV clocks into paravirt_set_sched_clock() Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 11/16] x86/paravirt: Don't use a PV sched_clock in CoCo guests with trusted TSC Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 12/16] x86/kvmclock: Mark TSC as reliable when it's constant and nonstop Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 13/16] x86/kvmclock: Get CPU base frequency from CPUID when it's available Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 14/16] x86/kvmclock: Get TSC frequency from CPUID when its available Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 15/16] x86/kvmclock: Stuff local APIC bus period when core crystal freq comes from CPUID Sean Christopherson
2025-02-01  2:17 ` [PATCH 16/16] x86/kvmclock: Use TSC for sched_clock if it's constant and non-stop Sean Christopherson
2025-02-07 17:23   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-08 18:03     ` Michael Kelley
2025-02-10 16:21       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-12 16:44         ` Michael Kelley
2025-02-12 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-02-11 14:39 ` [PATCH 00/16] x86/tsc: Try to wrangle PV clocks vs. TSC Borislav Petkov
2025-02-11 16:28   ` Sean Christopherson

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