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From: Tobias Huschle <huschle@linux.ibm.com>
To: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, mst@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: EEVDF/vhost regression (bisected to 86bfbb7ce4f6 sched/fair: Add lag based placement)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 07:31:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZWbapeL34Z8AMR5f@DESKTOP-2CCOB1S.> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d4110c79-d64f-49bd-9f69-0a94369b5e86@bytedance.com>

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 04:55:11PM +0800, Abel Wu wrote:
> On 11/27/23 9:56 PM, Tobias Huschle Wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 11:00:16AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 02:17:21PM +0100, Tobias Huschle wrote:

[...]

> > - At depth 4, the cgroup shows the observed vruntime value which is smaller
> >    by a factor of 20, but depth 0 seems to be running with values of the
> >    correct magnitude.
> 
> A child is running means its parent also being the cfs->curr, but
> not vice versa if there are more than one child.
> 
> > - cgroup at depth 0 has zero lag, with higher depth, there are large lag
> >    values (as observed 606.338267 onwards)
> 
> These values of se->vlag means 'run this entity to parity' to avoid
> excess context switch, which is what RUN_TO_PARITY does, or nothing
> when !RUN_TO_PARITY. In short, se->vlag is not vlag when se->on_rq.
> 

Thanks for clarifying that. This makes things clearer to me.

> > 
> > Now the following occurs, triggered by the vhost:
> > - The kworker gets placed again with:
> >                      vruntime      deadline
> >     cgroup        56117619190   57650477291 -> depth 0, last known value
> >     kworker       56117885776   56120885776 -> lag of -725
> > - vhost continues executing and updates its vruntime accordingly, here
> >    I would need to enhance the trace to also print the vruntimes of the
> >    parent sched_entities to see the progress of their vruntime/deadline/lag
> >    values as well
> > - It is a bit irritating that the EEVDF algorithm would not pick the kworker
> >    over the cgroup as its deadline is smaller.
> >    But, the kworker has negative lag, which might cause EEVDF to not pick
> >    the kworker.
> >    The cgroup at depth 0 has no lag, all deeper layers have a significantly
> >    positve lag (last known values, might have changed in the meantime).
> >    At this point I would see the option that the vhost task is stuck
> >    somewhere or EEVDF just does not see the kworker as a eligible option.
> 
> IMHO such lag should not introduce that long delay. Can you run the
> test again with NEXT_BUDDY disabled?

I added a trace event to the next buddy path, it does not get triggered, so I'd 
assume that no buddies are selected.

> 
> > 
> > - Once the vhost is migrated off the cpu, the update_entity_lag function
> >    works with the following values at 606.467022: sched_update
> >    For the cgroup at depth 0
> >    - vruntime = 57104166665 --> this is in line with the amount of new timeslices
> >                                 vhost got assigned while the kworker was waiting
> >    - vlag     =   -62439022 --> the scheduler knows that the cgroup was
> >                                 overconsuming, but no runtime for the kworker
> >    For the cfs_rq we have
> >    - min_vruntime =  56117885776 --> this matches the vruntime of the kworker
> >    - avg_vruntime = 161750065796 --> this is rather large in comparison, but I
> >                                      might access this value at a bad time
> 
> Use avg_vruntime() instead.

Fair.

[...]

> > 
> > ######################### full trace #########################
> > 
> > sched_bestvnode: v=vruntime,d=deadline,l=vlag,md=min_deadline,dp=depth
> > --> during __pick_eevdf, prints values for best and the first node loop variable, second loop is never executed
> > 
> > sched_place/sched_update: sev=se->vruntime,sed=se->deadline,sev=se->vlag,avg=cfs_rq->avg_vruntime,min=cfs_rq->min_vruntime
> 
> It would be better replace cfs_rq->avg_vruntime with avg_vruntime().
> Although we can get real @avg by (vruntime + vlag), I am not sure
> vlag (@lag in trace) is se->vlag or the local variable in the place
> function which is scaled and no longer be the true vlag.
> 

Oh my bad, sev is the vlag value of the sched_entity, lag is the local variable.

[...]

> >      vhost-2931-2953    [013] d....   606.338313: sched_wakeup: comm=kworker/13:1 pid=168 prio=120 target_cpu=013
> > --> kworker set to runnable, but vhost keeps on executing
> 
> What are the weights of the two entities?

I'll do another run and look at those values.

[...]

  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-29  6:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-16 18:58 EEVDF/vhost regression (bisected to 86bfbb7ce4f6 sched/fair: Add lag based placement) Tobias Huschle
2023-11-17  9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-17  9:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-17 12:24   ` Tobias Huschle
2023-11-17 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-17 13:07       ` Abel Wu
2023-11-21 13:17         ` Tobias Huschle
2023-11-22 10:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-27 13:56             ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]             ` <6564a012.c80a0220.adb78.f0e4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2023-11-28  8:55               ` Abel Wu
2023-11-29  6:31                 ` Tobias Huschle [this message]
2023-12-07  6:22                 ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                 ` <07513.123120701265800278@us-mta-474.us.mimecast.lan>
2023-12-07  6:48                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-08  9:24                     ` Tobias Huschle
2023-12-08 17:28                       ` Mike Christie
     [not found]                     ` <56082.123120804242300177@us-mta-137.us.mimecast.lan>
2023-12-08 10:31                       ` Re: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-08 11:41                         ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                         ` <53044.123120806415900549@us-mta-342.us.mimecast.lan>
2023-12-09 10:42                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-11  7:26                             ` Jason Wang
2023-12-11 16:53                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-12  3:00                                 ` Jason Wang
2023-12-12 16:15                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-13 10:37                                     ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                     ` <42870.123121305373200110@us-mta-641.us.mimecast.lan>
2023-12-13 12:00                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-13 12:45                                         ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                         ` <25485.123121307454100283@us-mta-18.us.mimecast.lan>
2023-12-13 14:47                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-13 14:55                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-12-14  7:14                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-01-08 13:13                                               ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                               ` <92916.124010808133201076@us-mta-622.us.mimecast.lan>
2024-01-09 23:07                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-01-21 18:44                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-01-22 11:29                                                   ` Tobias Huschle
2024-02-01  7:38                                                   ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                                   ` <07974.124020102385100135@us-mta-501.us.mimecast.lan>
2024-02-01  8:08                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-02-01 11:47                                                       ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                                       ` <89460.124020106474400877@us-mta-475.us.mimecast.lan>
2024-02-01 12:08                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-02-22 19:23                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-11 17:05                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-12  9:45                                                           ` Luis Machado
2024-03-14 11:46                                                             ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                                             ` <73123.124031407552500165@us-mta-156.us.mimecast.lan>
2024-03-14 15:09                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-15  8:33                                                                 ` Tobias Huschle
     [not found]                                                                 ` <84704.124031504335801509@us-mta-515.us.mimecast.lan>
2024-03-15 10:31                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19  8:21                                                                     ` Tobias Huschle
2024-03-19  8:29                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-03-19  8:59                                                                         ` Tobias Huschle
2024-04-30 10:50                                                                           ` Tobias Huschle
2024-05-01 10:51                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-01 15:31                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2024-05-02  9:16                                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-05-02 12:23                                                                                 ` Tobias Huschle
2024-05-02 12:20                                                                               ` Tobias Huschle
2023-11-18  5:14   ` Abel Wu
2023-11-20 10:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-11-20 12:06       ` Abel Wu
2023-11-18  7:33 ` Abel Wu
2023-11-18 15:29   ` Honglei Wang
2023-11-19 13:29 ` Bagas Sanjaya

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