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From: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
To: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@gmail.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
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	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowangio@gmail.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
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	sargun@sargun.me, jlinbox@meta.com,
	"Bobby Eshleman" <bobbyeshleman@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/6] vsock: add IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_ASSIGN_G2H_NETNS
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 16:27:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aq1D1S9p9vRl7eV_@sgarzare-redhat> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqsI5BXRB96dkIHm@devvm29614.prn0.facebook.com>

On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 02:23:48PM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 02:57:43PM +0200, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 11:50:10AM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 05:28:25PM +0200, Stefano Garzarella wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 04:00:48PM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
>> > > > From: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@meta.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > Namespaces let a host isolate a VM's vsock traffic to a specific
>> > > > namespace, but in a guest vsock traffic cannot be isolated to a
>> > > > namespace. The vsock device is hardcoded to global mode and can't be
>> > > > moved into a local-mode namespace.
>> > > >
>> > > > Introduce ioctl IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_ASSIGN_G2H_NETNS on /dev/vsock that
>> > >
>> > > We already discussed about netlink, but I'm not sure how much work can
>> > > take, here just another alternative, what about adding
>> > > /proc/sys/net/vsock/g2h_owner sysctl that can be read/write where:
>> > > 0 - no owner
>> > > 1 - owner
>> > >
>> > > 0 -> 1 transition, move the device in the new nets
>> > > 1 -> 0 transition, reset back to init_ns
>> >
>> > That seems reasonable, but if multi-device support ever lands, this
>> > might be harder to adapt cleanly?
>>
>> I see, but maybe we can have a dev0/ dev1/ subfolders in that case.
>>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > > gives userspace a way to move the device to the calling pid's namespace.
>> > > > The call requires CAP_NET_ADMIN in the root user namespace. A privileged
>> > > > user wishing to "unassign" the device can move it to the init_netns,
>> > > > which is hardcoded to global mode (so no unassign call is necessary).
>> > > >
>> > > > A getter to read the current assignment back was considered, returning
>> > > > either the namespace's net_cookie or its nsfs inode number, but neither
>> > > > seemed useful enough to bake into the uAPI now. It can be added later if
>> > > > a user turns up that needs it.
>> > > >
>> > > > Add a transport hook to indicate support for guest namespacing, so that
>> > > > transports may opt in/out. A transport that opts out keeps the
>> > > > reachability rules it had before this ioctl existed.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sockets are reset when the underlying device moves to a different
>> > > > namespace, so as to prevent reachability from the previous and now
>> > > > disallowed namespace.
>> > > >
>> > > > Following the approach of netdevs, the device returns to init_net when
>> > > > its namespace is removed. Care is taken to not break flows when the
>> > > > device is inside a global namespace that is being torn down and alive
>> > > > sockets are in a different global namespace. In this scenario, the
>> > > > device's netns getter pre-emptively falls back to the init_net (always
>> > > > global) so that these flows are not disrupted. If init_netns ever
>> > > > supports local-mode in the future, this logic will have to be changed.
>> > > >
>> > > > Suggested-by: Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
>> > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20200427142518.uwssa6dtasrp3bfc@steredhat/
>> > > > Signed-off-by: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@meta.com>
>> > > > ---
>> > > > Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/net.rst |  18 +++
>> > > > include/net/af_vsock.h                   |   7 ++
>> > > > include/uapi/linux/vm_sockets.h          |   6 +
>> > > > net/vmw_vsock/af_vsock.c                 | 198 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>> > > > 4 files changed, 228 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> > > >
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >
>> > One thing I realized when answering your uAPI questions and looking at
>> > the code is that IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_GET_LOCAL_CID is not namespace aware,
>> > but I think it probably should be? I remember for host ns we strived for
>> > truly strong isolation.
>>
>> Can you elabore a bit more?
>>
>
>I'm wondering if IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_GET_LOCAL_CID should not reveal the

Okay, I see now, too many IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS involved and I didn't get you 
were referring to the GET_LOCAL_CID xD

>CID of the g2h device if the device has been moved to an inaccessible
>namespace? In this case, fallback to the results of h2g/local and
>through to returning VMADDR_CID_ANY if neither of those transports are
>loaded.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not 100% sure if it's really an issue if we reveal it 
to any workspace, but I also don't see why we should do that. So, yeah, 
if possible we should reveal it only in the namespace assigned to the 
G2H.

>
>I also considered whether or not /dev/vsock should even be visible from
>within an inaccessible namespace in order to not leak even the mere
>presence of the vsock device, but it seems to me that /dev/vsock's
>presence doesn't leak anything besides the presence of the vsock module.
>

Will this break userspace doing IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_GET_LOCAL_CID on 
loopback, etc. ?

Thanks,
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-02 23:00 [PATCH net-next 0/6] vsock: assign the guest vsock device to a network namespace Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] vsock: constify the transport in vsock_for_each_connected_socket() Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 15:42   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] vsock: add IOCTL_VM_SOCKETS_ASSIGN_G2H_NETNS Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:35   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-09-02 23:58     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:03   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-15 15:28   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 15:45     ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 20:49       ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 18:50     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:57       ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-16 21:23         ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-18 14:27           ` Stefano Garzarella [this message]
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] vsock/virtio: support guest device network namespace Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-15 15:47   ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 18:14     ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:44       ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-16 17:06         ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] selftests/vsock: add a helper to assign the g2h device to a netns Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] selftests/vsock: test the guest vsock device network namespace Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-02 23:00 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] selftests/vsock: test the assign ioctl privilege checks Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-06 17:04   ` netdev-bot+sashiko
2026-09-04  8:55 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] vsock: assign the guest vsock device to a network namespace Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-04 17:30   ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-15 10:16     ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-15 17:43       ` Bobby Eshleman
2026-09-16 12:36         ` Stefano Garzarella
2026-09-16 17:00           ` Bobby Eshleman

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