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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2/5/26 19:36, Dave Hansen wrote: > On 2/5/26 09:06, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >>> But can't we RCU-free the page table?  Why do we need to wait for the >>> RCU readers to finish? >> >> For unsharing hugetlb PMD tables the problem is not the freeing but the >> reuse of the PMD table for other purposes in the last remaining user. >> It's complicated. > > Letting the previously-shared table get released to everything else in > the system sounds like a fixable problem. tlb_flush_unshared_tables() > talks about this, and it makes sense that once locks get dropped that > something else could get mapped in and start using the PMD. Yeah, I tried to document that carefully. > > The RCU way of fixing that would be to allocate new page table, replace > the old one, and RCU-free the old one. Read, Copy, Update. :) > > It does temporarily eat up an extra page, and cost an extra copy. But > neither of those seems expensive compared to IPI'ing the world. I played with many such ideas, including never reusing a page table again once it was once shared. All turned out rather horrible. RCU-way: replacing a shared page table involves updating all processes that share the page table :/ . I think another issue I stumbled into while trying to implement was around failing to allocate memory (but being required to make progress). It all turned to quite some complexity and inefficiency, so I had to give up on that. :) > >> For page table freeing, we only do it if we fail to allocate memory -- >> if we cannot use RCU IIRC. > > But that case is fine to be slow and use synchronize_rcu(). If you're > failing to allocate a single page, you're in a way slow path anyway. That's true. We could likely do that already and avoid the IPI broadcast there that was once reported to be a problem for RT applications. -- Cheers, David