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From: Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Johannes Thumshirn" <Johannes.Thumshirn@wdc.com>,
	"virtualization@lists.linux.dev" <virtualization@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] virtio: silence KCSAN warning in virtqueue_get_buf_ctx_split
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 11:38:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d80b0dd5-1db2-4796-bb88-37212f6a4d24@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260128053356-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>


On 28.01.26 11:34, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 11:30:20AM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> On 28.01.26 10:13, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
>>> On 1/28/26 10:03 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>> On 28.01.26 09:47, Johannes Thumshirn wrote:
>>>>> On 1/27/26 5:30 PM, Alexander Graf wrote:
>>>>>> This patches the split vring format, but does not touch the packed one.
>>>>>> What happens if you run the same test with the packed format? You can do
>>>>>> so by passing "packed=on" as argument to your -device parameter.
>>>>> This opened up a whole new can of worms... :(
>>>> That's what I expected :).
>>>>
>>>> How do other DMA based devices handle this? Is the real problem that
>>>> virtio by default does not use the DMA API and so it confuses generic
>>>> KCSAN logic that would otherwise track DMA regions as "can be modified
>>>> by DMA at any time"?
>>>>
>>>> If that is the case, maybe what we really want is to force enable use of
>>>> the DMA API when KCSAN is active. Does something like the (whitespace
>>>> broken) patch below work?
>>>>
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>> index ddab68959671..b1dd790ce622 100644
>>>> --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>> +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>> @@ -284,6 +284,13 @@ static bool vring_use_map_api(const struct
>>>> virtio_device *vdev)
>>>>          if (xen_domain())
>>>>              return true;
>>>>
>>>> +    /*
>>>> +     * KCSAN needs to track who can modify memory. DMA API gets
>>>> +     * us that, so always use it.
>>>> +     */
>>>> +    if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_KCSAN))
>>>> +        return true;
>>>> +
>>>>          return false;
>>>>      }
>>> Unfortunately this doesn't get us any further (I'd love though, it looks
>>> way cleaner!)
>>>
>>> I still see the KCSAN messages even on boot.
>>
>> Ah, looks like the important bit for KCSAN is not the mapping mechanism,
>> it's the actual compiler annotation for the read. So these virtio ring reads
>> should all be annotated as READ_ONCE() to make sure KCSAN knows the read
>> itself is atomic.
>>
>> Alex
>>
> so then:
>
>         return vq->last_used_idx != virtio16_to_cpu(vq->vq.vdev,
>                         READ_ONCE(vq->split.vring.used->idx));


Yes, which is on the verge of getting unreadable. I'll work with 
Johannes on v3. We'll play with ways to make it a bit more maintainable. 
Please discard the current patches for now.


Alex




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  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-28 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-27 15:25 [PATCH v2 0/2] virtio: silence KCSAN warnings Johannes Thumshirn
2026-01-27 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] virtio: silence KCSAN warning in virtqueue_get_buf_ctx_split Johannes Thumshirn
2026-01-27 16:30   ` Alexander Graf
2026-01-28  8:47     ` Johannes Thumshirn
2026-01-28  9:03       ` Alexander Graf
2026-01-28  9:13         ` Johannes Thumshirn
2026-01-28 10:30           ` Alexander Graf
2026-01-28 10:34             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-28 10:38               ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2026-01-28 10:48                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2026-01-27 15:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] virtio: silence KCSAN warning in virtqueue_kick_prepare Johannes Thumshirn
2026-01-28 12:28   ` kernel test robot
2026-01-28 22:23   ` kernel test robot
2026-01-27 15:44 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] virtio: silence KCSAN warnings Michael S. Tsirkin

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