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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	patches@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@in.ibm.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	virtualization <virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patches] [PATCH] [21/22] x86_64: Extend bzImage protocol for relocatable bzImage
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:11:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m14pmz8bbb.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4634483E.9030307@goop.org> (Jeremy Fitzhardinge's message of "Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:24:46 -0700")

Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org> writes:

> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> All it does is set a flag that tells a bootloader.
>> "Hey. I can run when loaded a non-default address, and this is what
>>  you have to align me to."
>>
>> All relocation processing happens in the kernel itself.
>>   
>
> Is it possible to decompress and extract the kernel image from the
> bzImage without executing it?  Ie, is there enough information to find
> the compressed data part of the bzImage by inspection?
>
> At some point we'll need to change the Xen domain builder to handle
> bzImage files, and it would be best if we didn't need to run them.

/sbin/kexec bzImage ....

There is a 32bit entry point that is reasonably well specified
you can use.  I'm guessing you want to recover the 64bit ELF,
with all of your nice ELF notes etc.  vmlinux is run through
"objcopy -O binary" as part of the bzImage build process so all
of the ELF metadata is lost.

I have several ideas on how we can make this work but first I have to
ask what is it that you are trying to accomplish?

<rant>
  Right now I'm a little frustrated that insanity below slipped into
  head.S right after the 32bit entry point after the review said
  use the normal linux parameters for parameter passing.
  
  > #ifdef CONFIG_PARAVIRT
  >         movl %cs, %eax
  >         testl $0x3, %eax
  >         jnz startup_paravirt
  > #endif
  
  The whole thing should be based on a value in the linux parameter block
  pointed to by %esi, instead of the insane preserve all registers and
  attempt to be super compatible with everyone.

  Yes we do need a branch there, but no we don't need to be changing 
  the format we pass arguments to the kernel in.
</rant>

Anyway since it seems there is interest in going farther in tweaking
the linux boot process let's open thread up to what is needed/wanted
for future enhancements to linux booting, and let's see if we can
design something that works and isn't brain dead.

Eric

       reply	other threads:[~2007-04-29 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20070428175909.1D09D151CA@wotan.suse.de>
     [not found]   ` <46338D72.70402@garzik.org>
     [not found]     ` <m1fy6kdzi1.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
     [not found]       ` <4634483E.9030307@goop.org>
2007-04-29 15:11         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2007-04-30  3:03           ` [patches] [PATCH] [21/22] x86_64: Extend bzImage protocol for relocatable bzImage Rusty Russell
     [not found]           ` <1177902195.30071.203.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-04-30  4:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-30  5:03               ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]               ` <1177909434.30071.216.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-04-30  5:25                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-30 16:03                   ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <46361341.1050806@zytor.com>
2007-04-30 16:47                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-30 15:34                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <m1ejm16flv.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-01  3:38                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                   ` <1177990722.28659.39.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-05-01  3:45                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  3:59                       ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-01  4:00                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  4:50                         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                         ` <1177995014.28659.54.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-05-01  5:28                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  6:05                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  3:57                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  5:37                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                       ` <4636D200.3010406@goop.org>
2007-05-01  6:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  7:34                         ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                         ` <1178004868.28659.57.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2007-05-01  8:03                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-30 18:50           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-30 22:10             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]             ` <m18xc9344o.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-04-30 22:42               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]               ` <463670D1.3000003@goop.org>
2007-04-30 22:51                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-30 23:10                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <m14pmx31bw.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-04-30 23:16                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-30 23:35                     ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                     ` <20070501033931.GI25929@bingen.suse.de>
2007-05-01  2:48                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  3:39                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-02  9:31             ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]             ` <46385A8A.6070405@redhat.com>
2007-05-02 15:16               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]               ` <4638AB55.20408@goop.org>
2007-05-02 20:51                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                 ` <4638F9BE.8090508@zytor.com>
2007-05-02 21:01                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                   ` <4638FC39.4010101@goop.org>
2007-05-02 21:09                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                     ` <4638FE1B.9050901@zytor.com>
2007-05-02 21:39                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                       ` <46390523.5010809@goop.org>
2007-05-02 21:59                         ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                         ` <463909AF.9040205@zytor.com>
2007-05-02 23:03                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-03  4:50                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                           ` <20070503045031.GA5794@in.ibm.com>
2007-05-03  6:42                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                             ` <m1tzuuv24z.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-03  7:05                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                               ` <463989BD.6040603@goop.org>
2007-05-03 13:23                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                 ` <m1ps5iujl8.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-03 16:23                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-05-08 16:41                               ` yhlu
     [not found]                               ` <86802c440705080941y69ddd5d6lab170c5f3967f148@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-08 17:18                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-08 17:24                                 ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                 ` <m1sla7i68s.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-08 17:33                                   ` yhlu
2007-05-08 18:51                                     ` yhlu
     [not found]                                     ` <86802c440705081151r6bfd82e4o50c6a34b2b2a833f@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-08 19:01                                       ` yhlu
2007-05-08 19:11                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                       ` <m1k5vji107.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-08 22:00                                         ` yhlu
     [not found]                                         ` <86802c440705081500x682ee098y7d51f7bb98dbcff6@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-08 22:07                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]                                           ` <4640F4B3.30408@goop.org>
2007-05-08 22:35                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                             ` <4640FB2C.2060300@zytor.com>
2007-05-08 22:41                                               ` yhlu
     [not found]                                               ` <86802c440705081541v7d0773cek2c5fae1854b68bbc@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-08 23:13                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                 ` <46410403.4050802@zytor.com>
2007-05-09  1:44                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                   ` <m17irivkhy.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-09  2:23                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  2:44                                                     ` yhlu
     [not found]                                                     ` <46413087.2020505@zytor.com>
2007-05-09  3:30                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                       ` <m1tzumu10k.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-09  4:52                                                         ` yhlu
2007-05-09  4:52                                                         ` yhlu
     [not found]                                                         ` <86802c440705082152g49d4d3echf3eb165ce4feb2e9@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-09  5:04                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:04                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:04                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:04                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:04                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                           ` <46415640.6000600@zytor.com>
2007-05-09  5:08                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:08                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:08                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:08                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:08                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                             ` <4641573C.1000205@zytor.com>
2007-05-09  5:48                                                               ` yhlu
2007-05-09  5:48                                                               ` yhlu
2007-05-09  5:48                                                               ` yhlu
     [not found]                                                               ` <86802c440705082248r5248aa08s8299e03f615b984a@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-09  5:54                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:54                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:54                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:54                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:54                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:55                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:55                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:55                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:55                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-09  5:55                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                                 ` <46416246.9090005@zytor.com>
2007-05-09 10:52                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                   ` <m1abwetgkn.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-09 16:31                                                                     ` yhlu
2007-05-09 19:21                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                                                                     ` <46421F3D.7060401@zytor.com>
2007-05-10  0:52                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-09  7:58                                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
     [not found]                                                         ` <46417F0B.1080405@redhat.com>
2007-05-09 11:21                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-10  0:55                                                           ` yhlu
2007-05-09  3:33                                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                       ` <20070509033348.GA12361@in.ibm.com>
2007-05-09  4:42                                         ` yhlu
2007-05-09  4:42                                         ` yhlu
2007-05-09  4:42                                         ` yhlu
     [not found]                                         ` <86802c440705082142u7ee2b402q9ae09edbed32766a@mail.gmail.com>
2007-05-09  4:58                                           ` ebiederm
2007-05-09  4:58                                           ` ebiederm
2007-05-09  4:58                                           ` ebiederm
2007-05-09  4:58                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-09  4:58                                           ` ebiederm
     [not found]                                 ` <20070508172449.GA1932@in.ibm.com>
2007-05-08 17:34                                   ` yhlu
2007-05-03  2:01                       ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-02 21:17                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <m13b2fvsbn.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
2007-05-02 21:24                     ` H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                     ` <46390185.30900@zytor.com>
2007-05-02 21:36                       ` Eric W. Biederman

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