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[86.18.22.167]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-43bd42c55f2sm19111485e9.20.2025.03.05.06.36.33 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Mar 2025 06:36:34 -0800 (PST) From: To: "'Nicolas Cavallari'" , Cc: "'Dennis Bland'" , "'Ping-Ke Shih'" , , References: <000201db8822$98f28da0$cad7a8e0$@gmail.com> <002d01db8da7$daf2ed50$90d8c7f0$@gmail.com> <319c9de5-e26f-45c0-9200-747c86bce303@green-communications.fr> In-Reply-To: <319c9de5-e26f-45c0-9200-747c86bce303@green-communications.fr> Subject: RE: wireless-regdb: Allow 6ghz in the US Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 14:36:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001a01db8ddc$019e8890$04db99b0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-gb Thread-Index: AQMUrzCf8XdNoAU6+fu4ECJnDc0awgHIktuQAg9ms7MCOQTCTwHce3oJAeRkceYB16Yw4bCVC4QA X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20250305_143639_400715_0267560D X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 15.21 ) X-BeenThere: wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "wireless-regdb" Errors-To: wireless-regdb-bounces+wireless-regdb=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org See below [1] Beacon Hints " cfg80211 has a feature called beacon hinting to assist cfg80211 in = allowing a card to lift passive-scan and no-beaconing flags. = Passive-scan flags are used on channels to ensure that an interface will = not issue a probe request out. The no-ir flag exists to allow regulatory = domain definitions to disallow a device from initiating radiation of any = kind and that includes using beacons, so for example AP/IBSS/Mesh/GO = interfaces would not be able to initiate communication on these channels = unless the channel does not have this flag. If either of these flags are = present on a channel a device is prohibited from initiating = communication on cfg80211." ... " It is also important to note that the Linux kernel beacon hint = mechanism only trusts beacons from 802.11 APs, not Mesh or IBSS." [1[ = https://wireless.docs.kernel.org/en/latest/en/developers/regulatory/proce= ssing_rules.html My experience is with Openwrt and APs. We have users in the US = complaining that they can't use 6GHz due to NO-IR -----Original Message----- From: Nicolas Cavallari =20 Sent: 05 March 2025 12:19 To: wens@kernel.org; rmandrad@gmail.com Cc: Dennis Bland ; Ping-Ke Shih = ; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; = wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: wireless-regdb: Allow 6ghz in the US On 05/03/2025 09:58, Chen-Yu Tsai wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 4:23=E2=80=AFPM wrote: >> >> That is not specifying NO-IR which basically is denying any 6Ghz in=20 >> the US what it means in my opinion is >> >> >> >> Client devices (like phones, tablets, laptops) need to find Wi-Fi = networks before they can join them. >> >> One-way devices do this is by sending out probe requests. These are = little "Are you there?" signals that ask nearby access points (routers) = to respond, so the device knows which networks are available. >=20 > Section 122 says: The Commission therefore only permits a client=20 > device to send a probe request to an access point after it has=20 > detected a transmission from the access point. The client device will=20 > be required to send the probe request on the same frequency as the=20 > access point's transmission. >=20 > I think this translates to "passive scanning only", which is what=20 > NO_IR is meant to specify. NO-IR was previously called PASSIVE-SCAN,=20 > and was renamed when it was merged with NO-IBSS. >=20 > Maybe the kernel's implementation needs work? I'm not a WiFi person so = > I really don't know all the details. >=20 >> That is why drivers use the non 6Ghz for allowing clients to identify = >> the router has 6ghz capabilities=E2=80=A6 I don=E2=80=99t think is = for wireless-regdb=20 >> to take over the HW router compliance and certification which is =20 >> what 122. is about >=20 > No, section 122 is definitely about client devices, which is what=20 > Linux devices are. No, Linux also supports access point, IBSS, OBSS and mesh, not to = mention monitor injection. If you remove NO-IR, you are allowing Linux to create access points, = ad-hoc and mesh networks on the channel without conditions.