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[86.18.22.167]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-390e479596dsm20161761f8f.7.2025.03.05.00.27.13 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Mar 2025 00:27:13 -0800 (PST) From: To: "'Dennis Bland'" , "'Ping-Ke Shih'" , Cc: , References: <000201db8822$98f28da0$cad7a8e0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: wireless-regdb: Allow 6ghz in the US Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2025 08:27:17 -0000 Message-ID: <006301db8da8$686cbb20$39463160$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQMUrzCf8XdNoAU6+fu4ECJnDc0awgHIktuQAg9ms7MCOQTCT7DBabeA Content-Language: en-gb X-CRM114-Version: 20100106-BlameMichelson ( TRE 0.8.0 (BSD) ) MR-646709E3 X-CRM114-CacheID: sfid-20250305_002716_219694_3450095A X-CRM114-Status: GOOD ( 11.31 ) X-BeenThere: wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: "wireless-regdb" Errors-To: wireless-regdb-bounces+wireless-regdb=archiver.kernel.org@lists.infradead.org Hi Dennis, et all 122. is not specifying NO-IR which basically is denying any 6Ghz in the = US what it means in my opinion is=20 Client devices (like phones, tablets, laptops) need to find Wi-Fi = networks before they can join them. One-way devices do this is by sending out probe requests. These are = little "Are you there?" signals that ask nearby access points (routers) = to respond, so the device knows which networks are available. This is = why drivers use the non 6Ghz for allowing clients to identify the router = has 6ghz capabilities=E2=80=A6 I don=E2=80=99t think is for = wireless-regdb to take over the HW router compliance and certification = which is what 122. is about Thank you Best Regards, Rudy From: Dennis Bland =20 Sent: 05 March 2025 05:49 To: Ping-Ke Shih ; wens@kernel.org Cc: rmandrad@gmail.com; linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org; = wireless-regdb@lists.infradead.org Subject: Re: wireless-regdb: Allow 6ghz in the US Hi everyone: Section 122 of Document 2020-11236 (Unlicensed Use of the 6 GHz Band) = mentions the following, which formed the basis of the NO-IR requirement: 122. The Commission recognizes the utility of permitting probe = requests to enable client devices to join an access point's network. = However, these probe requests have the potential to cause harmful = interference to licensed operations. The Commission therefore only = permits a client device to send a probe request to an access point after = it has detected a transmission from the access point. Best regards, Dennis On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 2:09=E2=80=AFAM Ping-Ke Shih = wrote: Chen-Yu Tsai wrote: >=20 > > based on this remove NO-IR flag and allow 30 dBm max power >=20 > The original submission mentioned NO-IR requirements, though I did not > find such wording. Dennis, do you have any ideas? >=20 FYI. The description below in [1] In all cases, an exception exists for transmitting brief messages to an access point when attempting to join its network after detecting a = signal that confirms that an access point is operating on a particular channel. [1] = https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/05/26/2020-11236/unlicense= d-use-of-the-6-ghz-band