From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A278F31F9A2; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:48:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783010906; cv=none; b=tQ9XdZD66fLwVyGnqS6jZ6oUG/H4fB1hilOduTCIf7SD4IJ/RdHdh4Ixyn2OH1xw5YNv8B/QWUuLd/5m9yLrQnrmUAQ4PBobFWcHQ8M0fEOpPkv/VXk1oYnXzig2U4HW4EaVnE9EBc9uR9Qsa5jFYoNaOZ0xTqIL7d0TpC5PbQ8= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783010906; c=relaxed/simple; bh=OMwoxVFvqfv8ARfEab1qaoXyAJbTujmG/G4BPy145rs=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:MIME-Version; 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aEZCiDOq0anx6FmOzs5E6Jqdpo/mtI8beK+BE7Va6ni7YrQlnT0i3vaTVMTiCThbqsB20VrbMjlhp f8lfK1XVNbRq/R7GZ9zHESlsa35ha60yd/j3pu5hT2xyy8krV8vGhHvnJ1XRMJBAB/UYb6FyC7S+m QZIQXVeAA+smfTT0tDrisj1U5x6ZB9b3nBg65kc= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.60.2 (3.60.2-1.fc44) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2026-07-02 at 18:19 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 07:13:30PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 11:57:46AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > On Thu, 2026-07-02 at 17:07 +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:32:48AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > > > > > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for seve= ral > > > > > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio fr= om this > > > > > is quite low. > > > > >=20 > > > > > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to att= ribute > > > > > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons. > > > >=20 > > > > Then let's move to get people to follow it. > > > >=20 > > > > > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM co= mpanies. > > > >=20 > > > > Who cares, make up a name, all I want is the "signal" that someone = is > > > > using a LLM so that I can review it as-such. And if I think someon= e is > > > > not reporting that, I can ask for them to properly attribute it and= if > > > > they lie, well, that's on them. > > > >=20 > > > > > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first p= lace. > > > >=20 > > > > We want to know if a LLM is being used. > > >=20 > > > But why? What do you intend to do with this information? > > >=20 > > > Do you mean to use it as an indicator that the patch should receive > > > "extra" review (or maybe that it should be ignored)? Do you mean to u= se > > > it to generate some sort of statistics at a later time?=20 > >=20 > > I use the information to decide how to review the patch, and what level > > of priority to give it. For that usage I don't need a tag, but I need > > the information in some human-readable form at patch submission time. >=20 > Same here. I don't care about stats, I care about "how do I review this > patch" and this gives me that signal that I need if faced with a > llm-helped patch. >=20 >=20 Do we need a tag for this though? This seems like the kind of information that we would always require in the cover letter of a series (or the little place in an individual patch for comments that don't get merged). That would also allow you to convey a lot more nuance about how it was used. ISTM asking people to disclose LLM usage in a cover letter would give everyone what they want: Information about whether and possibly how an LLM was used, and it also wouldn't clutter up the changelogs with these tags. --=20 Jeff Layton