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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Askar Safin <safinaskar@gmail.com>
Cc: w@1wt.eu, corbet@lwn.net, leon@kernel.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	security@kernel.org, skhan@linuxfoundation.org,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] Documentation: security-bugs: explain what is and is not a security bug
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2026 10:43:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2026060955-zesty-cucumber-1a49@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260609083305.2382925-1-safinaskar@gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 11:33:05AM +0300, Askar Safin wrote:
> Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>:
> > +in a way that allows multiple local users to get a fair share of the available
> 
> Your "security-bugs.rst" says that we should consult "threat-model.rst" to
> determine whether a bug should be sent to secret mailing list.
> 
> And "threat-model.rst" says that kernel gives everyone "fair share"
> of resources.
> 
> This can be interpreted so: if scheduler is not fair enough, then this is
> security bug and should be reported to secret mailing list. I don't think
> this is what you meant.

Within reason of course, please use your best judgement.

> > +When hardware fails to maintain its specified isolation (e.g., CPU bugs,
> > +side-channels, hardware response to unexpected inputs), the kernel will usually
> > +attempt to implement reasonable mitigations. These are best-effort measures
> > +intended to reduce the attack surface or elevate the cost of an attack within
> > +the limits of the hardware's facilities; they do not constitute a
> > +kernel-provided safety guarantee.
> 
> "best-effort measures" and "they do not constitute a kernel-provided safety
> guarantee" can be interpreted so: if someone finds yet another Meltdown-like
> side-channel CPU bug, then this is not security bug, and should be
> reported openly. I don't think this is what you meant.

Again, please be reasonable.  Hardware bugs have their own reporting
process that we have well documented.

> > +    affect the system's availability (shutdown, reboot, panic, hang, or making
> > +    the system unresponsive via unbounded resource exhaustion).
> 
> So if unprivileged process can crash system, then this is security bug?

Yes.

> Also I'm not sure "unbounded resource exhaustion" is correct here.

Why not?

> As well as I understand, by default kernel and distros don't set any
> memory limits or limits for number of processes for unprivileged processes,
> so unprivileged process can easily cause resource exhaustion by
> allocating a lot of memory or by fork bomb.

That's a distro problem, not a kernel problem.

> So, I think you should instead say that unprivileged process, which
> has memory limit (and other limits) set using cgroups, should not
> be able to cause resource exhaustion.

Patches are always gladly accepted.  But again, be reasonable please,
this isn't a legal document :)

> > +are designed to be accessible to regular local users with a low risk (e.g.
> > +kernel logs via ``/proc/kmsg``), some would expose enough information to
> 
> /proc/kmsg has rights "-r--------", so I think there is error here.
> 
> ---------------
> 
> Finally, I have questions:
> 
> - If unprivileged user created process, which is impossible to kill
> by privileged process, is this security bug?

Sounds like a bug, we can deal with it that way.

> - If unprivileged user prevents privileged user from suspending
> system, is this security bug?

Physical access of suspending a machine feels like an odd threat model
to be worried about :)

If you have bugs that you feel are security issues like the above,
great, please report them and we can take them on a case-by-case basis.

This document is meant as a starting point for that, and to help remove
a huge number of "this is a security bug!" reports that we keep getting
that are obviously not that.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-09  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-09  9:47 [PATCH v3 0/3] Documentation: security-bugs: new updates covering triage and AI Willy Tarreau
2026-05-09  9:47 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] Documentation: security-bugs: do not systematically Cc the security team Willy Tarreau
2026-05-09  9:47 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] Documentation: security-bugs: explain what is and is not a security bug Willy Tarreau
2026-05-09 19:51   ` Shuah Khan
2026-05-11 17:28   ` Greg KH
2026-05-11 18:03     ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-11 18:39       ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-11 20:26         ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-11 20:42           ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-12  5:46             ` Greg KH
2026-05-12  5:54               ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-12 17:20   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-13 10:29     ` Greg KH
2026-05-13 11:23       ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-13 12:52         ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-13 13:00           ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-13 21:04             ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-14  4:32               ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-14 12:22                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-14 13:13                   ` Willy Tarreau
2026-06-09  8:33   ` Askar Safin
2026-06-09  8:43     ` Greg KH [this message]
2026-06-10  1:03       ` Askar Safin
2026-06-10  6:10         ` Greg KH
2026-05-09  9:47 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] Documentation: security-bugs: clarify requirements for AI-assisted reports Willy Tarreau
2026-05-12 17:21   ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-13 10:30     ` Greg KH
2026-05-13 11:24       ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-13 12:53         ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-13 12:58           ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-13 21:02           ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-14  4:34             ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-14  7:23             ` Greg KH
2026-05-09 10:52 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Documentation: security-bugs: new updates covering triage and AI Leon Romanovsky
2026-05-09 10:56   ` Willy Tarreau
2026-05-12 17:14 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-05-12 19:13   ` Willy Tarreau

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