From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mgamail.intel.com (mgamail.intel.com [192.198.163.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6AB8F3D330E; Mon, 18 May 2026 08:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=192.198.163.13 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1779091484; cv=none; b=igFJR71yWTIymQenTexRjQ/eN1JAJSuE6Unh8bbuUtPaVTPRAcDLNp4Q+gvQezqagyLDFveJkyq69ymJj8QHA6+sy/9Sj8QgVYOAOQ7zQsgcd9Nrk0+aoSMcxFnzWkKm8zehrCrEqu9/ZXhOunSpyPQO85R7yfP53j0Encl4xNY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1779091484; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Lu+aBJLncolAnZylqK1/zSO8q0BQP54nVceRdNyunvA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=PlWgJezuLdebrq/EdJHwr5DlPS8UCBNz1i1BhdiVuGf0OHcIsSydkRs5yEI81mAULa3FC7jdXtZzHpMlydN674oDEcH50NgMAcruwzsms5YOdUcJ60CpwKrHLdOj5dTT52K5LMIn0+QrFgjhejFsvUAUzG/xnBjNWU8+DGRSmFs= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=intel.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=intel.com; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=intel.com header.i=@intel.com header.b=BPds9Veu; arc=none smtp.client-ip=192.198.163.13 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=intel.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=intel.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=intel.com header.i=@intel.com header.b="BPds9Veu" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=intel.com; i=@intel.com; q=dns/txt; s=Intel; t=1779091482; x=1810627482; h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:date: message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lu+aBJLncolAnZylqK1/zSO8q0BQP54nVceRdNyunvA=; b=BPds9VeuBT0xbMCZ6faItdiSKSXN3Te8OLhLMYxM/OtkSzkVVaJIQozK zkG27p511LTnYvnlmhr4yr+tBxcUOIQ+zgdV34/D0Ru5g6K9eY9sDqoqx u7euL50OpTTSjfKXQ9d3/yePQdqlsnr7C/qS2CuOpVjW+Y73eDwMuNHrg +cXO8ym0Bh8RrFoHRh4ONgWa5BcmkWZlcwde3b4owE3oR2ziFuHQKKRyQ MK8CCZ4ve5eJ14d55QT0qdELXT6dFeiOisBRzLpP+ZaovkB/EObumhXt+ LoJHP2+oi3vlYTjqbsczZuUPxWaoVjduDGNxN2tgRqX4VZzGeWSfw9vAv A==; X-CSE-ConnectionGUID: wrgq55/LTICV8u6sKctJvA== X-CSE-MsgGUID: uh13HOLaTlSoPM3U/OPi3Q== X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="6800,10657,11789"; a="82503657" X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.23,241,1770624000"; d="scan'208";a="82503657" Received: from fmviesa006.fm.intel.com ([10.60.135.146]) by fmvoesa107.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 18 May 2026 01:04:38 -0700 X-CSE-ConnectionGUID: 8pV11JjCRUCb7hXc2UrCpQ== X-CSE-MsgGUID: 3UTOWr3/R02AlgEu8L57qg== X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="6.23,241,1770624000"; d="scan'208";a="234897689" Received: from conormcd-mobl2.ger.corp.intel.com (HELO localhost) ([10.245.244.1]) by fmviesa006-auth.fm.intel.com with ESMTP/TLS/ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 18 May 2026 01:04:32 -0700 From: Jani Nikula To: Roman Gushchin , Krzysztof Kozlowski Cc: debarbos@redhat.com, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Guenter Roeck , sashiko-bot@kernel.org, sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev, sashiko@lists.linux.dev, Linux Kernel Workflows , Linux Kernel Mailing List , devicetree@vger.kernel.org, kfree@google.com Subject: Re: Stop false review statements In-Reply-To: <07602616-412B-4ED8-95D7-588C0D077EE3@linux.dev> Organization: Intel Finland Oy - BIC 0357606-4 - c/o Alberga Business Park, 6 krs Bertel Jungin Aukio 5, 02600 Espoo, Finland References: <4f3d7f48-5766-425b-91f6-0acdb5554584@kernel.org> <07602616-412B-4ED8-95D7-588C0D077EE3@linux.dev> Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 11:04:29 +0300 Message-ID: <2e20badf27b6910d619329841e37d2961556056f@intel.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 16 May 2026, Roman Gushchin wrote: >> On May 16, 2026, at 2:33=E2=80=AFPM, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: >>=20 >> I find it opposite: clogging commits with useless information, because >> some arbitrary and completely closed-source tool did analysis means >> nothing to me one year later when I look at the commit in the Git histor= y. > > This is simple not true: Sashiko is fully open-source, under Apache 2.0 l= icense > and the code belongs to LF. Yes, the instance behind sashiko.dev is using > Gemini 3.1 Pro LLM, which is not open-source, but it=E2=80=99s not a fund= amental limitation -=20 > Sashiko is supporting various LLMs, including open models - it=E2=80=99s = just a practical > choice: to my knowledge the quality of open models is not on par with fro= ntier closed > models and it would require a non-trivial amount of hardware and infrastr= ucture to run > an open model at the required scale. In the context of the "Reviewed-by: Sashiko" discussion, this actually makes it really hard to assess the quality of those reviews. It is *currently* using a boatload of tokens with a specific LLM, and I find it's often asking pretty good questions. People build their reviewer track record and gain trust over time, but the reviews from what is portrayed as "Sashiko" heavily depend on the models and resources spent in the background. As a maintainer, it's far easier (though still laborous) to deal with the negative feedback from LLMs than the positive, because you won't really know how rigorous the review was when the response is just "LGTM". BR, Jani. --=20 Jani Nikula, Intel