From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6686213D8B1; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783008704; cv=none; b=qoKYWxSFNPhUxuhxBuOq44u6EmgAKyums9EVlZl8swM71jcPLf/rVC87RBNW6k7glUNIG/OropOlb+QhUpT2Ga8JzM/j3Iu50ty1nxjpItngE+VTtwbxitMwVN/dIl35E3kdnS0dyiDKgDS+L/fZhy6Y+EBYmjiwmGco16fRzuw= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1783008704; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Zx7yBkfj4iflclgczmtvb9yPMEoE2DNajCV0FBtCA7M=; h=MIME-Version:Date:From:To:Cc:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References: Subject:Content-Type; b=btrcwnYxNl4c/YTfmF/Lp/SJ09MYZ6466+kF9//YNlU4Dp3/5/0ocaKgWIB6TuGC5qUw8xvULzB6rXRIC4vUIqkPMoF6eohKlhBt+5A93ksTzAvhOXrRq5G763u4jHcBAG8FB5JEf713GjH3aclvE6WH4rcU42VH/7SUth1ukdk= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=Tm0HAosR; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="Tm0HAosR" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F0D71F00A3D; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 16:11:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1783008703; bh=7jJesRTSN4UY/pF5nooQk5ux4I3JeN+OKBLAPg7OGF4=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject; b=Tm0HAosREWXSCjAP82UamtrVEGIUUJpYAUX219v4RBjWJ7JOiVzEdzG347SsPB+hS ANXrZQPFfC58bMUU74c9NznetmTbz2AtfnqbuYpSR0wDroXPuLVzMC7bxyQRf7DJiY k4s0vWIidHSpJp7LA6MAsZ+ccNLwSAredX2YIa4Z0M3pDK27QSENKRV1TZzHeihEy/ MtBfyN330GuuZUHLE9K9uan+WdVcjnPr7uC7LSvAtTyVitZ3AUrk7M6ILd38ExONNi SZPx7o8dC/6c+i5eT/yBYuKVOAixX+ddpZnD1XKKQ/qClNmjAFTlAqjzt+ApjsZQC2 OycP/FgAztbSQ== Received: from phl-compute-10.internal (phl-compute-10.internal [10.202.2.50]) by mailfauth.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D871F40069; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-imap-15 ([10.202.2.104]) by phl-compute-10.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 02 Jul 2026 12:11:41 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: dmFkZTEhsvyoby4nY2r92IelFirjHkTPIxOTKuouLw81XqL2Hzmr1wi3ruMiyJPv4uYqsh 9aMZGLtMJHxu5zy4kTYDgOhZRWbRxN1X5XCQvyCbPgepuwlO7IRGP908JWcfFc9WIpHSiP gKnsk77hY1jKrqJks205SUNM6E0vRXWwyrTdh2rWgJ4m2Wuh931nOXc2qmUR3aSAJyMB+m QZYWcTIL0p+tLo0ud0Ml/cADh8NfOequ8BogirAatbCGdky0UZvD+lBaJo8rui74oHG+cK +MDmb/CkheSICIWyOgQM3huDvwjbbBBs0ncvaeobm+nA2Y9OnxUKIS0NQQNMmJe38tpyis G56soxDZd0yZx7La8WQ9LHTtrsZzhanGuhMA63pm2uOS8RwBIq01cveQ3wIAeeVsGrCPCl VHShLlFYdQG5EOR0sZNdwYBUflXhavPDdqnM/sp8Lj/RCsotF8OOCST/U9PZLOlpfybk8e 30AqwwIHXxouQVvwXtFrwjV7NKJaDS5v0WPVhbBzR8yTVD+1mnB05vWHYHnGsNcaYFuiYC pi5+UMoKgsLQuYbSHtAylmhGpF+bQPtjWp8a1qOWYAIsIxGod84Zf/5OjwKK0pbeG2L+p6 cXEdCUbOoVvSJUg8mJFTpv8yuqs93cHWKuF4lNq9pPmP7E2/LTgYMzu5SfeQ X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ifa6e4810:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.phl.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 21438780AB5; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: AUMuDe2ntHRJ Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2026 12:11:20 -0400 From: "Chuck Lever" To: "Jeff Layton" , "Linus Torvalds" , "Jonathan Corbet" , "Justin Stitt" Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes" , "Laurent Pinchart" , "Carlos Maiolino" , "Jakub Kicinski" , "Jori Koolstra" , "Krzysztof Kozlowski" , "Brian Foster" , "Christoph Hellwig" , "David Disseldorp" , "Mark Brown" , "Jani Nikula" , "Jens Axboe" , "David Hildenbrand" , "Vlastimil Babka" , "Christian Brauner" , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Message-Id: <98e8d828-bcbd-4075-9b4c-dc1949647784@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20260702-aidoc-v1-1-735572dfb995@kernel.org> References: <20260702-aidoc-v1-1-735572dfb995@kernel.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: remove the requirement for LLM attribution Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, Jul 2, 2026, at 10:32 AM, Jeff Layton wrote: > We've had this requirement in place in the Documentation for several > months, but it's becoming clear that the signal to noise ratio from this > is quite low. > > 1/ It's not universally followed. While many people do try to attribute > the LLMs in good faith, not everyone does for various reasons. > > 2/ It basically serves as free advertising for proprietary LLM companies. > > 3/ It's not clear why we want to collect this info in the first place. > > Given that the data this provides is flawed at best and is being > collected for a purpose that isn't clear, let's just kill the > requirement for these tags from the kernel at large. > > Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton > --- > Christian had proposed watering down the LLM attribution, but I think > it's not productive to try and track this until we have a clearer sense > of what we want to do with this information and how to make it more > reliable. I agree that the current tagging system is flawed and almost useless for real analysis -- self-reporting and a nebulous definition of what "LLM was used" actually means are red flags for any data scientist. I don't have a stand on whether the tagging should be removed or fixed. But today I ignore it (my 2-cents US) for these reasons. -- Chuck Lever