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From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 13:12:54 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aIpSlhPTC9G1AqvO@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a1022055-52bd-4948-9399-908b29ca140a@lucifer.local>

On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 05:59:25PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:36:25PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:18:29PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>> > On Wed, 30 Jul 2025 16:34:28 +0100
>> > Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Which looked like someone else (now Cc'd on this thread) took it public,
>> > > > and I wanted to see where that ended. I didn't want to start another
>> > > > discussion when there's already two in progress.
>> > >
>> > > OK, but having a document like this is not in my view optional - we must
>> > > have a clear, stated policy and one which ideally makes plain that it's
>> > > opt-in and maintainers may choose not to take these patches.
>> >
>> > That sounds pretty much exactly as what I was stating in our meeting. That
>> > is, it is OK to submit a patch written with AI but you must disclose it. It
>> > is also the right of the Maintainer to refuse to take any patch that was
>> > written in AI. They may feel that they want someone who fully understands
>>
>> This should probably be a stronger statement if we don't have it in the
>> docs yet: a maintainer can refuse to take any patch, period.
>>
>> > what that patch does, and AI can cloud the knowledge of that patch from the
>> > author.
>>
>> Maybe we should unify this with the academic research doc we already
>> have?
>>
>> This way we can extend MAINTAINERS to indicate which subsystems are
>> more open to research work (drivers/staging/ comes to mind) vs ones that
>> aren't.
>>
>> Some sort of a "traffic light" system:
>>
>>  1. Green: the subsystem is happy to receive patches from any source.
>>
>>  2. Yellow: "If you're unfamiliar with the subsystem and using any
>>  tooling to generate your patches, please have a reviewed-by from a
>>  trusted developer before sending your patch".
>>
>>  3. No tool-generated patches without prior maintainer approval.
>
>This sounds good, with a default on red. Which would enforce the opt-in
>part.

I don't think we should (or can) set a policy here for other
maintainers. Right now we allow tool-assisted contributions - flipping
this would mean we need to get an ack from at least a majority of the
MAINTAINERS folks.
-- 
Thanks,
Sasha

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-30 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-27 19:57 [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-27 19:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] agents: add unified agent coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  2:37   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  4:43     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  5:16       ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  5:39         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 22:06   ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-30 23:47     ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-01 20:53     ` Rob Herring
2025-08-08 18:07       ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  2:39   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  5:00     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  5:10       ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  5:59         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  6:18           ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 12:35             ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:25             ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:35               ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:29                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18               ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-30 18:41                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  4:24   ` Greg KH
2025-07-28  4:52     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  5:02       ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] agents: add coding style documentation and rules Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  2:40   ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  5:10     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  5:21       ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28  6:03         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30  9:31           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-30 14:48             ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-30 15:10             ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] agents: add legal requirements and agent attribution guidelines Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  2:43   ` Kees Cook
2025-08-05 22:08   ` Jeff Johnson
2025-08-05 23:11     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 23:33       ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-06 14:12   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-06 21:53     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  7:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 10:37     ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:47       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:05         ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04  9:23           ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04  9:41             ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 13:25             ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 22:03               ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:14                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-04 22:30                   ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:53                   ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 23:30                     ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 23:39                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 13:29                         ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 11:57   ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28  8:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:35   ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:52     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 12:45       ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:13         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 13:23           ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:28             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 15:27       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 15:34         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 16:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 16:33             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:36             ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:59               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12                 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-07-30 17:23                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:32                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 18:03                       ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:04                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 19:16                         ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:25                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:34                 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:36                 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04 10:20                 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-07-30 17:05               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:46                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:59                   ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:10                     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:24                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:59                         ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 19:10                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-30 19:40                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 19:51                       ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 19:27                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-31  0:02                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:40             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:10               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:20                 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:33                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:39                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:51               ` Kees Cook
2025-07-30 16:58             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:56     ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 18:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli

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