From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
corbet@lwn.net, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
workflows@vger.kernel.org, josh@joshtriplett.org,
kees@kernel.org, konstantin@linuxfoundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <linux@treblig.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:59:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aIprj_SFsYv2ABRo@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e471218-35a2-4e22-8826-40576919e737@lucifer.local>
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 07:24:13PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 02:10:26PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 06:59:09PM +0100, Al Viro wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 01:46:47PM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> >
>> > > Similarily the argument around not trusting the code is equivalent to
>> > > not trusting the person who sent the code in. AI doesn't send patches on
>> > > it's own - humans do. This is basically saying "I didn't even look at
>> > > your patch because I don't trust you".
>> >
>> > One name: Markus Elfring. Ever tried to reason with that one? Or Hillf
>> > Danton, for that matter.
>> >
>> > And I absolutely will refuse to take patches from somebody who would
>> > consistently fail to explain why the patch is correct and needed. Sasha,
>> > this is the elephant in the room: we *ALREADY* get "contributions" that
>> > very clearly stem from "$TOOL says so, what else do you need?" kind of
>> > reasoning and some of that dreck ends up in the tree. AI will serve as
>> > a force multiplier for those... persons.
>>
>> This is exactly my argument Al :)
>>
>> You, as a maintainer, should be able to just reject patches without
>> having to provide a technical explanation for each patch you ignore.
>>
>> If someone new comes along and bombards you with AI generated crap and
>> useless review comments, you should be able to just block him and point
>> to something under Documentation/ that will support that decision.
>
>I'm in alignment with Al and your view here FWIW!
>
>Though I do think Steven has a point in that there must be a _good reason_
>that aligns with the community for doing so, and it shouldn't be arbitrary.
I don't disagree with Steve: Ideally there is a technical reason to
block submissions, but as this is a judgement call I'd rather defer it
to the maintainer (usually people don't become maintainers by making bad
decisions :) ).
The tricky part is that this is all subjective... What's "good enough"?
As a compromise, what about allowing a maintainer to block submissions
without having to provide a technical reason, but then offer a path of
escalation with the TAB to mediate between the developer and the
maintainer?
--
Thanks,
Sasha
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-30 18:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-27 19:57 [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Sasha Levin
2025-07-27 19:57 ` [PATCH 1/4] agents: add unified agent coding assistant configuration Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:37 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 4:43 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:16 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:39 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 22:06 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-30 23:47 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-01 20:53 ` Rob Herring
2025-08-08 18:07 ` Kevin Hilman
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 2/4] agents: add core development references Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:39 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:00 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:59 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 6:18 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 12:35 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:35 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:29 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-07-30 18:41 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 4:24 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 4:52 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:02 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 3/4] agents: add coding style documentation and rules Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:40 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 5:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 5:21 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-28 6:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 9:31 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-30 14:48 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-07-30 15:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-27 19:58 ` [PATCH 4/4] agents: add legal requirements and agent attribution guidelines Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 2:43 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-05 22:08 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-08-05 23:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 23:33 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-06 14:12 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-08-06 21:53 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 7:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] Add agent coding assistant configuration to Linux kernel Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-28 9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 10:37 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:05 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 9:23 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 9:41 ` Michal Hocko
2025-08-04 13:25 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 22:03 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-08-04 22:30 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-08-04 22:53 ` dan.j.williams
2025-08-04 23:30 ` Sasha Levin
2025-08-04 23:39 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-05 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-28 11:57 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 8:42 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:35 ` Greg KH
2025-07-28 10:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 12:45 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 13:23 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-28 13:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 15:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 16:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 16:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:36 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 16:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 18:03 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:18 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:04 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 19:16 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:34 ` Mark Brown
2025-07-30 17:36 ` Kees Cook
2025-08-04 10:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-07-30 17:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:46 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 17:59 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 18:10 ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-30 18:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 18:59 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-07-30 19:10 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-30 19:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 19:51 ` Al Viro
2025-07-30 19:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-31 0:02 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2025-07-30 16:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-30 17:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-30 17:39 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-07-30 17:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-30 16:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-28 10:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 18:13 ` Nicolas Frattaroli
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