From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; t=1793007940; b=kOxmEnvJEyuxzdzd0yVdjDO8QwPH5Ws53/M03oB9mytTp4rFr+CdXU0POXCL2IYAmv2k 9h0lIec1aTA3vJO81WwIATuJbrTl7SO4LE2seXUT7q/a5dwV7lbxeqBlBTckhnDyqQqz3 uyYS8lpJMIL18wX4NBXalTpBUTral3pRliZA+d0I+L6ohpeJQQbURDWKL+MR6eqXVtrMD 3XIk2I3otfKp7+AzHnezapn/LeHwAXIQbZstMzuhHAlaTzy64K4LI6Q7XbqHUy41t22S+ dgp4z/B27nzTbPFPTuMXseCy62HI9d0txkVu32LPOhwGgLNhoJhzfop3ST/2bBTmgzg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1793007940; h=Received:DKIM-Signature:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition: Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To; bh=rI3RzBkwmwMUPJwwDJMCua6+rB1WJIJn2/Iy8r3VAf0=; b=Sz5pSmP4tS4o+yzBCfDRjTxjBj64MRFSWBU3cgi1zlyuPGRyWBZv+BpnkdYm8RF7dL0n Q0whUOe/e4e1QkgtfQmskVjiZ5TfsgN20qvZIdP9ktvJQL7HwhIt763nr4ZN62HMdktQZ fSfopoXw7clom129cSYJlysQAHuc5DNVFBySeImVbIy3nP6J0v3CCcjo09WW7LB1TuyB9 hbOppY9Ae9VlHOoUMyOpg2CU73oLFH161CMCNVCd3EwDSVMWPFPcYpWhc3qQGMOSuQvkC LcY97xwCRx6/C4Hl+U2Gqy7/TyZcuee4mInFwlSm6x7rHQIGwLLykWF4uuOPoItCrMQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=k20260515 header.b=idVueJW5; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=100.103.45.18 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (quasi.space.kernel.org [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E37D8606A31E; Mon, 26 Oct 2026 09:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=k20260515 header.b=idVueJW5 Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C98E21F01828; Mon, 26 Oct 2026 09:45:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1793007939; bh=rI3RzBkwmwMUPJwwDJMCua6+rB1WJIJn2/Iy8r3VAf0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=idVueJW5zPd5L593UoFZIS50Ufe+nI0XRCHNlJg4J4T2+Z4GnV3LOPMJZ3QmqsyDO bep15m7aA5a8MPsnqLzoEqDI68jd6T9e1/hoSeqwAHTtDvEKLwGVm1YrNdF6iRdVtK xUdoUWCy9Xp/ioVkbRsEG5YisN7sinkVUSfj5JbLLSQ2rdSsOFFbgEfgkFvKNzP7q7 +48U3zDYQuN/3p8NoPzbRPFdJROwNPgwNjUuCE8K43UiRrtiAvy3JaF7ppyn9wwZn9 zWo/GRgVdqz19+kSbuaFm/MenghSO+l47ooWQyum4RuDXO5VhSNKYJ8pBuZHhKy04M Xb6EztSj1wQBA== Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2026 09:45:31 +0000 From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" To: Jori Koolstra Cc: Laurent Pinchart , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Sasha Levin , corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Linus Torvalds , Jens Axboe , "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Message-ID: References: <20261013123132.GC4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261013131243.GM56180@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261013173240.GK4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261020211532.GD15441@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <345522644.2279143.1792963950889@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <345522644.2279143.1792963950889@kpc.webmail.kpnmail.nl> On Sun, Oct 25, 2026 at 10:32:30PM +0100, Jori Koolstra wrote: > There's a striking parallel with the mathematics community in this regard. > They are dealing with a similar problem where the old way used to be you > make a name for yourself by proving a hard theorem (Linux equivalent: > you make a name for yourself with sweeping patchsets.) That does not > really work as well anymore as a signal for competency (at least in maths): > > "Among the mathematicians I have spoken with, the prevailing sentiment > is that this traditional mechanism of recognition has effectively collapsed > in a matter of weeks. A strong mathematical result, by itself, can no > longer be taken as convincing evidence of a student’s independent > mathematical abilities."[1] The kernel isn't quite there yet, I get to see a lot of low-effort AI submissions and they are near-universally terrible, even if they fix a real bug, for instance. Personally, I question whether LLMs will ever get there. They really struggle with good code, architecture, the longer-term picture, etc. But predicting the future of LLMs is... unwise :) > Would it be worthwhile to organize some sort of informal discussion on > what such channels might be and how they can be organized in an > LLM-resistant fashion? It would be interesting and useful to share and > collect ideas on how the talent pipeline should take shape in the > LLM-era, so that the community can ensure, also in the future, that > talented and motivated people are continued to be brought in and not > drowned out by slop or other unwanted hurdles, such as having access to > very expensive tooling (a concern that I share with Laurent.) > > You and Ted have views on this; Shuah runs the kernel mentorship program; > and I know Greg also helps people get exposed to the kernel through > various means. Then there's GSoC and Outreachy, etc. > > I guess a lot of these people will be at LSFMMBPF? I'm always more than happy to discuss things! And in-person beats on-list every time :) -- Cheers, Lorenzo