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Wysocki (Intel)" Cc: Jonathan Corbet , Konstantin Ryabitsev , David Laight , Joe Perches , Shuah Khan , Randy Dunlap , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, users@kernel.org, Federico Vaga , Akira Yokosawa , Carlos Bilbao , Avadhut Naik , Alex Shi , Yanteng Si , Dongliang Mu , Chen-Yu Yeh , Weijie Yuan , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Petr Pavlu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 02, 2026, Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel) wrote: > On Mon, Nov 2, 2026 at 3:34=E2=80=AFPM Jonathan Corbet w= rote: > > > > "Rafael J. Wysocki (Intel)" writes: > > > > > So it occurred to me that it might be actually better to stop sending > > > messages directly to LKML subscribers and only make it available for > > > download somewhere and as a Lore archive. > > > > > > Is there really anyone depending on receiving all of the LKML traffic= every day? > > > > * raises hand > > > > Some of us crazy people really do depend on it, yes. +1, e.g. it's how I found out about this proposed change. FWIW, I don't ac= tually need (or want) to receive *all* LKML traffic; I probably only truly consume= less than 1% of the mails, via heavy filtering. But AFAIK, there isn't an alter= native way to arbitrarily choose what traffic is important to me. > Exceptions would be straightforward to make though I suppose. >=20 > So really my question would be how many people there are who depend on > receiving all of the LKML traffic every day via SMTP. And I honestly > think that not everybody subscribed to it. Probably not even 10% of > those people. There are quite a few subsystems that use linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org as t= heir one and only list, including (almost?) all of the subsystems that are route= d through the tip tree (x86@ isn't a subscribable mailing list).