From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.ekdawn.com (mail.ekdawn.com [46.225.164.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2859438474; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:21:49 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.225.164.110 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784118115; cv=none; b=EOXb09aS8OqznYiiJTCgtpr/MdFdAog7YuFadvNMs3Ebmj5OWefdEbBvkeNjZZPfUuUAPYxjaACpuYmU7+s1/Gzz+lkvGshiEbpdjJG9NsTH0exlOdejDZZcMW/+PW5yWulaSwyxid0GUsoX6uy+sLw4U0jgRPJperhozz8t8tA= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784118115; c=relaxed/simple; bh=frnFpfxg0py7n3r68A6LBhJ7ml3UYK76x5RXqSZ8rUE=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=QSi8nLS8EYkNd1bRJ0WRORY7NNSTHv40e7iYgHqe8dhmbwVJ2h5zZuPWP3RD46Ozq5W1LqbyF0+enS9EDR7CvhnWBvjIwK/aIXX9h4cQbA+edX9NDsgmnULBzEtQHbW1f64vbjyAYwJDdO9c+AiBIxYH5BxWdTqm+4y0o+gDKcg= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=horse64.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=horse64.org; dkim=pass (4096-bit key) header.d=horse64.org header.i=@horse64.org header.b=ozGPntWf; arc=none smtp.client-ip=46.225.164.110 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=horse64.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=horse64.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (4096-bit key) header.d=horse64.org header.i=@horse64.org header.b="ozGPntWf" Received: by mail.ekdawn.com (Postfix) id 9C2721E017C; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 12:11:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=horse64.org; s=dkim1; t=1784117503; bh=frnFpfxg0py7n3r68A6LBhJ7ml3UYK76x5RXqSZ8rUE=; h=Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From:From:Sender:To:CC:Subject: Message-Id:Date; b=ozGPntWfNc+prPlor9O4RxXZ/2AgbH4VHrBuOdXdW6qa5V3KNjDj3R9eNnxiUSRyP TRzrOau6cs3nKzHw+VjUvllL8hnwgJou6rBUo4QPzQq7FS3XEsrK9NvG3PxmGPDrFV VC4hNg6WnckA0hEtAJrtWUNSc9EGt5FRfEOe6GqVhaZjkBaBtKVMi7+FamSv3tTGTe 2LNfSMGt2jzzVkHXi6cgvVGLqRHy3iFp9jUNB2tIsO00YMNDp5elED0rbTSMExPM93 kRW9JO5edyxK6sVTstkZ9b4DVaRnppah170uxFQWTYa8bV+J6+/krJSKfQ4cJ8sZsX dK3ubexa8G7u6iFJV9zp/m53pqcLywLp8MgKMaQ1fHIxNkCiCFj0RD6V1RAThVA7A/ JNV2iM5U6lH8NWvh2gdwdRlVLErF/veC9g8jaabLWa2GO+fFqz86pQCfWoSt5tRCvg viJFXWLG3NFtR6fdx13tTVVflWNygW0xGbHPn98upX3RlTKC3tdTNdHIIv6p53WzJ5 Y97yJAsIi5xGZsfo4mM6e6Ce5VmZ2FDkXJzYen8pwix/i3YabqOlDQcV8BWZYSFwrM kP+qOYRcNRrLI3g4mCUICwGXoz2V49J/KO8Uv7l+3xUoWmuBRXnJpsm03wgWCSXTnX QIqft9MH8joxOz0OlgA0zMv0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 14:11:40 +0200 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: workflows@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution - WIPO recommendations also seem kind of worrying To: Laurent Pinchart Cc: Christian Brauner , Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Jens Axboe , David Hildenbrand , Jeff Layton , Vlastimil Babka , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org References: <20260701-work-coding-assistants-v1-1-a20a94d1d606@kernel.org> <53942438-a44d-4578-b1c6-d45c2af1767d@horse64.org> <20260703115852.GC3659451@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Ellie In-Reply-To: <20260703115852.GC3659451@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 7/3/26 1:58 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > Your messages got completely ignored for a month and a half. Most > developers (including myself) don't read LKML due to the high traffic, > but I'm still surprised by the complete lack of reply. Maybe CC'ing the > workflows@vger.kernel.org mailing list would have helped ? Given the ongoing discussion I'm kind of wondering if it has been noticed by now, I apologize if it has and I just missed it. Sadly, my concerning finds keep piling up, e.g. here's the WIPO, World Intellectual Property Organization, on what they recommend for AI: https://www.wipo.int/publications/en/details.jsp?id=4713 Quote: "Consider using generative AI tools that have trained solely on licensed, public domain, or a user's own training data. [...] Thoroughly vet datasets when training or fine-tuning generative AI. Verify IP ownership, license coverage for AI training, [...]" I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong and this isn't legal advice: But it seems to me like neither do the Linux Foundations guidelines seem to be aware of this or adhere to this, nor does there seem to be a single coding LLM available anywhere that fulfills these. (Since wouldn't that require training data that is both GPL-relicensing compatible and also doesn't require attribution? The latter I've never seen with any coding LLM out there.) I wonder if the Linux Foundation would find it interesting what the WIPO says here, given how important the kernel is? The angle of it just being a tool doesn't fully seem aware of such concerns. At least when actual LLM code is added into the kernel. (And at the same time, it's probably possible to make such a vetted LLM if anybody wanted to. But that might require policies that enforce it.) Regards, Ellie