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From: Dario Faggioli <raistlin@linux.it>
To: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@amd.com>
Cc: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Juergen Gross <juergen.gross@ts.fujitsu.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:20:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1342772429.19530.247.camel@Solace> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1342707771.19530.235.camel@Solace>


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On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 16:22 +0200, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> Interesting. That's really the kind of testing we need in order to
> fine-tune the details. Thanks for doing this.
> 
> > Then I started 32 guests, each 4 vCPUs and 1 GB of RAM.
> > Now since the code prefers free memory so much over free CPUs, the 
> > placement was the following:
> > node0: guests 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,25,30
> > node1: guests 21,27
> > node2: none
> > node3: none
> > node4: guests 1,4,7,10,13,16,19,23,29
> > node5: guests 24,31
> > node6: guests 3,6,9,12,15,18,22,28
> > node7: guests 26,32
> > 
> > As you can see, the nodes with more memory are _way_ overloaded, while 
> > the lower memory ones are underutilized. In fact the first 20 guests 
> > didn't use the other nodes at all.
> > I don't care so much about the two memory-less nodes, but I'd like to 
> > know how you came to the magic "3" in the formula:
> > 
> > > +
> > > +    return sign(3*freememkb_diff + nrdomains_diff);
> > > +}
> > 
>
> That all being said, this is the first time the patchset had the chance
> to run on such a big system, so I'm definitely open to suggestion on how
> to make that formula better in reflecting what we think it's The Right
> Thing!
> 
Thinking more about this, I realize that I was implicitly assuming some
symmetry in the amount of memory each nodes comes with, which is
probably something I shouldn't have done...

I really am not sure what to do here, perhaps treating the two metrics
more evenly? Or maybe even reverse the logic and give nr_domains more
weight?

I was also thinking whether it could be worthwhile to consider the total
number of vcpus on a node instead than the number of domain, but again,
that's not guaranteed to be any more meaningful (suppose there are a lot
of idle vcpus)...

Dario

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Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-10 15:03 [PATCH 0 of 3 v4/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Dario Faggioli
2012-07-17 15:55   ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-16 17:13     ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v5/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Dario Faggioli
2012-07-17 18:04         ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2012-07-17 20:23           ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  0:31             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 10:44             ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18  0:22           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  8:27             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  9:13             ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  9:43               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18  9:53                 ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18 10:08                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 11:00                   ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18 13:14                     ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18 13:35                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 12:47                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 13:40                     ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-18 13:54                       ` Juergen Gross
2012-07-18 14:00                       ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 14:43                       ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-19 18:37                         ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-21  1:46                           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-18 10:53                 ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-18 13:12                   ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-18  9:47             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-19 12:21         ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Andre Przywara
2012-07-19 14:22           ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  8:19             ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20  9:39               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 10:01                 ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  8:20             ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2012-07-20  8:26               ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20  8:38                 ` Juergen Gross
2012-07-20  9:52                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20  9:56                     ` Juergen Gross
2012-07-20  9:44                 ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 11:47                   ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20 12:54                     ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 13:07                       ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-21  1:44                         ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 2 of 3 v5/leftover] libxl: have NUMA placement deal with cpupools Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:13       ` [PATCH 3 of 3 v5/leftover] Some automatic NUMA placement documentation Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 11:07       ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v5/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl David Vrabel
2012-07-20 11:43         ` Andre Przywara
2012-07-20 12:00           ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-20 12:08             ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-23 10:38               ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-23 10:42                 ` Ian Campbell
2012-07-23 15:31                   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-23 10:23             ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-20 12:14           ` David Vrabel
2012-07-17 15:59     ` [PATCH 1 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: enable automatic placement of guests on NUMA nodes Ian Campbell
2012-07-17 18:01       ` Ian Jackson
2012-07-17 22:15     ` Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 2 of 3 v4/leftover] libxl: have NUMA placement deal with cpupools Dario Faggioli
2012-07-10 15:03 ` [PATCH 3 of 3 v4/leftover] Some automatic NUMA placement documentation Dario Faggioli
2012-07-16 17:03 ` [PATCH 0 of 3 v4/leftover] Automatic NUMA placement for xl Dario Faggioli

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