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From: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
To: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Marcus Granado <Marcus.Granado@eu.citrix.com>,
	Justin Weaver <jtweaver@hawaii.edu>, Matt Wilson <msw@amazon.com>,
	Li Yechen <lccycc123@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Juergen Gross <juergen.gross@ts.fujitsu.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>, Elena Ufimtseva <ufimtseva@gmail.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 12/17] xen/libxc: sched: DOMCTL_*vcpuaffinity works with hard and soft affinity
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:03:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1386147821.5338.394.camel@Solace> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1386097618.3926.9.camel@Abyss>


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On mar, 2013-12-03 at 20:06 +0100, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mar, 2013-12-03 at 18:37 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
> > It is worth looking at the whole series again to try to see what the 
> > risks are, and if it's still worth taking.  I'll probably send something 
> > out tomorrow.
> > 
> Right. Since you pronounced yourself for the exception fairly early, I
> never include such analysis in further releases. I think it's on me to
> provide it, so I will do that (tomorrow too, so feel free to wait for
> mine, if you want).
> 
So, risk-vs-benefits analysis.

If this still was only per-vCPU NUMA affinity, as it started, there
would be no point in having it: no in-tree consumers, unlikely to be
noticed and used by actual users. However, the way we redesigned and put
it, makes it general enough to be interesting even independently from
NUMA. It now is quite an advanced feature which, as far as I know, not
many other OSes or hypervisors have, and it comes at a very reasonable
cost, in terms of amount of code and magnitude of infrastructural (in
the scheduling subsystem) changes. Actually, the latter is a
simplification wrt what we have now!

Granted that it provides benefits, risks. I think there are two kinds of
risks: one is related bugs (of course), the other has to do with the
interface.

Bugs wise, I tend to agree to what George said in his last e-mail. Most
of the hypervisor work which happens in 'common code' (i.e., will affect
people not using this feature) is just refactoring and rewiring various
bits and pieces. Most of the new code is in enabling the feature at Xen,
libxc and libxl level and bugs there, for one, shouldn't be too hard to
spot and fix (as it happened right during v5), and could only be
triggered from dom0 (domU creation or via the new toolstack command
being introduced).

I think the (potential) interface issues are the more important. In
fact, the interface not being the optimal one (at the Xen and xc level)
and not getting much attention (at the libxl level) in the first
versions of the patch series is what brought us here, this late into
code freeze. My personal opinion is that we have finally reached a point
where the interface is consistent and easy to maintain and to extend in
a compatible way, where that is needed (see, for instance, the
conversation with Ian Campbell about xl options).

Regards,
Dario

-- 
<<This happens because I choose it to happen!>> (Raistlin Majere)
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Dario Faggioli, Ph.D, http://about.me/dario.faggioli
Senior Software Engineer, Citrix Systems R&D Ltd., Cambridge (UK)


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  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-04  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-02 18:27 [PATCH v5 00/17] Implement vcpu soft affinity for credit1 Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 01/17] xl: match output of vcpu-list with pinning syntax Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 02/17] libxl: better name for last parameter of libxl_list_vcpu Dario Faggioli
2013-12-04 11:40   ` Ian Jackson
2013-12-06 14:40     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 03/17] libxl: fix memory leak in libxl_list_vcpu Dario Faggioli
2013-12-05 12:07   ` Ian Jackson
2013-12-02 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 04/17] libxc/libxl: sanitize error handling in *_get_max_{cpus, nodes} Dario Faggioli
2013-12-05 12:10   ` Ian Jackson
2013-12-06 10:34     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-06 11:52       ` Ian Jackson
2013-12-02 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 05/17] libxc/libxl: allow to retrieve the number of online pCPUs Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 06/17] xl: allow for node-wise specification of vcpu pinning Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 07/17] xl: implement and enable dryrun mode for `xl vcpu-pin' Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 08/17] xl: test script for the cpumap parser (for vCPU pinning) Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 09/17] xen: sched: rename v->cpu_affinity into v->cpu_hard_affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 10/17] xen: sched: introduce soft-affinity and use it instead d->node-affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:28 ` [PATCH v5 11/17] xen: derive NUMA node affinity from hard and soft CPU affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 12/17] xen/libxc: sched: DOMCTL_*vcpuaffinity works with hard and soft affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 10:02   ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 10:06     ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 11:08       ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 13:25         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 18:21       ` George Dunlap
2013-12-03 18:29         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 18:37           ` George Dunlap
2013-12-03 19:06             ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-04  9:03               ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2013-12-04 15:49                 ` George Dunlap
2013-12-04 16:03                   ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-04 16:20                   ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-11 11:33         ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 10:59     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 11:20       ` Jan Beulich
2013-12-03 11:30         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 13/17] libxc: get and set soft and hard affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 14/17] libxl: get and set soft affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 15/17] xl: enable getting and setting soft Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 16/17] xl: enable for specifying node-affinity in the config file Dario Faggioli
2013-12-02 18:29 ` [PATCH v5 17/17] libxl: automatic NUMA placement affects soft affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-12-03 14:05 ` [PATCH v5 00/17] Implement vcpu soft affinity for credit1 George Dunlap

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