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From: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
To: Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Elena Ufimtseva <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>
Subject: Re: PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 17:49:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1437580199.5036.64.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55AFB773.7010906@oracle.com>


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On Wed, 2015-07-22 at 11:32 -0400, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
> On 07/22/2015 10:50 AM, Dario Faggioli wrote:

> > Yep. Exacty. As Boris says, this is a generic scheduling issue, although
> > it's tru that it's only (as far as I can tell) with vNUMA that it bite
> > us so hard...
> 
> I am not sure that it's only vNUMA. It's just that with vNUMA we can see 
> a warning (on your system) that something goes wrong. In other cases 
> (like scheduling, or sizing objects based on discovered cache sizes) we 
> don't see anything in the log but system/programs are making wrong 
> decisions. 
>
I'm not questioning that the guest scheduler is put in a position where
it may make weird and/or wrong choices... Let's put it like this: on
that very test box, or any other NUMA box I've worked on, I've never
seen performance affected _so_much_ as in the vNUMA case.

In fact, of course there are other issues (like the ones you're
mentioning, caused by this), but it's only with vNUMA that I see 2 out
of 4 vcpus completely lost! :-/

> (And your results above may well be the example of that)
> 
Right. BTW, the example was meant at investigating what you suggested,
i.e., to have the guest topology follow the host topology. I tried, but
could not achieve it. Do you think I'm doing something wrong? May it be
that it's not always doable (ISTR Andrew saying that it is also the pcpu
where the vcpus are created that matters)?

I'm (re)asking because, if you think that's feasible, I can work on
that. I fit's not, well... :-/

Regards,
Dario
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Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-16 10:32 PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest Dario Faggioli
2015-07-16 10:47 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 10:56   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:25     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-16 15:45       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:50         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-16 16:29           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 16:39             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 16:59               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-17  6:09                 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  7:27                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17  7:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  8:44                     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-17 18:17                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-20 14:09                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-20 14:43                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-21 20:00                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 13:36                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 13:50                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 13:58                                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 14:09                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 14:44                                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  4:43                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-23  7:28                                         ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-23  9:42                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-23 14:07                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-23 14:13                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 10:28                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 14:44                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 15:14                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:24                                                 ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:58                                                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:09                                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:14                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:18                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:29                                                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:39                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:44                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27  4:35                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:43                                                                 ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 11:13                                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 11:11                                                                     ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 12:01                                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 12:16                                                                         ` Tim Deegan
2015-07-27 13:23                                                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 10:41                                                       ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:49                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 13:11                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:10                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:40                                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-24 16:48                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 17:11                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 13:40                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27  4:24                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:09                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:34                                                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 14:43                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:51                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 15:03                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:47                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:58                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28  4:29                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 15:11                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 16:17                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 17:13                                                               ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  6:04                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-29  7:09                                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  7:44                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:05                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 10:05                                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-07-28 15:17                                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 20:27                                               ` Elena Ufimtseva
2015-07-22 14:50                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 15:32                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 15:49                                         ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2015-07-22 18:10                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  7:25                                             ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-24 16:03                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23 13:46                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17 10:17                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Wei Liu
2015-07-27 15:13 ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:02   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 16:31     ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:33       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 17:42         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 17:50           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-27 23:19           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  3:52             ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28  9:40               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  9:28             ` Dario Faggioli

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