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From: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Elena Ufimtseva <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:11:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1438002703.5036.112.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55B60C9C.9020405@citrix.com>


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On Mon, 2015-07-27 at 11:49 +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 27/07/15 11:41, George Dunlap wrote:

> > Can you expand a little on this?  I'm having trouble figuring out
> > exactly what user-space applications are reading and how they're using
> > it -- and, how they work currently in virtual environments, given that
> > they (typically) will be moved between physical processors even if
> > they stay on the same virtual processor.
> 
> There are many examples of userspace application using cpuid to modify
> themselves.  Any serious application with processor optimisations will
> use the cpuid feature bits to choose the most efficient algorithm.
> 
> hwloc is an perfect example which gathers all of the topology
> information out of cpuid to work out how to most efficiently
> pin/schedule tasks.
> 
And all of this is broken, right now, isn't it?

Where, saying this, I'm aiming at stressing the point (as the thread is
starting to become a bit hard to follow) that we must come up with a
decent solution, working reasonably well in a bunch of (conflicting!
*sigh*) scenarios, *not* to implement something new without breaking
what we have, as what we have is broken already!

Regards,
Dario
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Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-16 10:32 PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest Dario Faggioli
2015-07-16 10:47 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 10:56   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:25     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-16 15:45       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:50         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-16 16:29           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 16:39             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 16:59               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-17  6:09                 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  7:27                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17  7:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  8:44                     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-17 18:17                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-20 14:09                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-20 14:43                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-21 20:00                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 13:36                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 13:50                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 13:58                                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 14:09                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 14:44                                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  4:43                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-23  7:28                                         ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-23  9:42                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-23 14:07                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-23 14:13                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 10:28                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 14:44                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 15:14                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:24                                                 ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:58                                                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:09                                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:14                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:18                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:29                                                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:39                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:44                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27  4:35                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:43                                                                 ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 11:13                                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 11:11                                                                     ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 12:01                                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 12:16                                                                         ` Tim Deegan
2015-07-27 13:23                                                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 10:41                                                       ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:49                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 13:11                                                           ` Dario Faggioli [this message]
2015-07-24 16:10                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:40                                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-24 16:48                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 17:11                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 13:40                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27  4:24                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:09                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:34                                                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 14:43                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:51                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 15:03                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:47                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:58                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28  4:29                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 15:11                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 16:17                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 17:13                                                               ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  6:04                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-29  7:09                                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  7:44                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:05                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 10:05                                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-07-28 15:17                                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 20:27                                               ` Elena Ufimtseva
2015-07-22 14:50                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 15:32                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 15:49                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 18:10                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  7:25                                             ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-24 16:03                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23 13:46                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17 10:17                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Wei Liu
2015-07-27 15:13 ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:02   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 16:31     ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:33       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 17:42         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 17:50           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-27 23:19           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  3:52             ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28  9:40               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  9:28             ` Dario Faggioli

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