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From: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
To: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org, ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com,
	stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com, wei.liu2@citrix.com,
	dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/13] libxl: provide a function to retrieve the xenstore domain id
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:36:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1452166568.21055.198.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <568E4A49.60703@suse.com>

On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 12:21 +0100, Juergen Gross wrote:
> On 07/01/16 11:55, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > On Thu, 2016-01-07 at 11:44 +0100, Juergen Gross wrote:
> > > > > IMO the generic concept you are asking for should be added in a
> > > > > separate patch handling stopping (and possibly rebooting) driver
> > > > > domains in a clean way.
> > > > 
> > > > Since libxl has a stable API once we add something we need to
> > > > continue
> > > > supporting it, so we cannot (easily/cleanly) switch an xs specific
> > > > scheme
> > > > into a generic one later. That argues then for supporting the XS
> > > > case
> > > > via
> > > > the generic mechanism now, even if we don't implement the other
> > > > cases.
> > > 
> > > I can't see a scenario where the xenstore domain would have to be
> > > stopped by dom0. Once you do it you'll never be able to connect to
> > > it again without changing the xenbus driver interface, too. It is
> > > the same reason why xenstored can't be restarted.
> > > 
> > > Driver domains are different and I think the interface to query a
> > > domain whether it is a driver domain or whether it might survive a
> > > dom0 reboot should be based on xenstore.
> > > 
> > > So a xenstore domain would always need special handling.
> > 
> > If there is really _never_ any reason to stop the xs domain then I
> > think at
> > the libxl API level a class of "never stop" domains would be better
> > than
> > special casing the xs, even if it turns out the only member of the set
> > is
> > xs at least we've given ourselves wriggle room if something else comes
> > up
> > in the future.
> 
> Okay, so this would translate to either:
> 
> - add a "never stop" flag to libxl_dominfo (can I do this without
>   breaking the API?)
> - add a new call interface to either check a single domain to be of
>   the "never stop" class or to return a list of those domains.
> 
> Preferences?

Definitely the former, with a LIBXL_HAVE_ #define in libxl.h so consumers
know they can use it.

Wei, Ian, do you agree with this approach?

Ian.

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Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-18 13:14 [PATCH v2 00/13] xenstore: make it easier to run xenstore in a domain Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] xen: add xenstore domain flag to hypervisor Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:23   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-05 15:46   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-05 15:59     ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] libxc: support new xenstore domain flag in libxc Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 15:52   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:08     ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:12       ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] libxl: provide a function to retrieve the xenstore domain id Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:53   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 14:10     ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 15:59       ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-06 16:38         ` Ian Jackson
2016-01-07  5:37         ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:11           ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 10:44             ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:55               ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 11:21                 ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 11:36                   ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2016-01-07 13:17                     ` Wei Liu
2016-01-07 12:40           ` Wei Liu
2016-01-07 12:57             ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 13:13               ` Wei Liu
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] xenstore: move init-xenstore-domain to tools/helpers Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:03   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:12     ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] libxl: move xen-init-dom0 " Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:12   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:15     ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:12       ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-06 16:28   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:39     ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] xenstore: destroy xenstore domain in case of error after creating it Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] xenstore: add error messages to init-xenstore-domain Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] xenstore: modify init-xenstore-domain parameter syntax Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:21   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:34     ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:23       ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 10:28         ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] xenstore: make use of the "xenstore domain" flag Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:23   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:36     ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] xenstore: add init-xenstore-domain parameter to specify cmdline Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] tools: split up xen-init-dom0.c Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:26   ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-06 16:33     ` Wei Liu
2016-01-07 10:26       ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] xenstore: write xenstore domain data to xenstore Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:27   ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 13:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] tools: don't stop xenstore domain when stopping dom0 Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 14:42   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 14:53     ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-06 16:33       ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07  6:52         ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-07 10:34           ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 10:45             ` Juergen Gross

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