windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

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I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
production systems.

This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
drivers.

The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.


Keith Coleman

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Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Daniel Stodden]

On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 17:41 -0500, Keith Coleman wrote:

> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> drivers.

Cool, thanks. If I may ask, what exactly did you run?

> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.

Is this an SMP dom0? A single guest?

Daniel

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Daniel Stodden
<daniel.stodden@citrix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 17:41 -0500, Keith Coleman wrote:
>
>> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
>> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
>> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
>> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
>> drivers.
>
> Cool, thanks. If I may ask, what exactly did you run?

iometer

>> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
>> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
>> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
>> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
>> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
>
> Is this an SMP dom0? A single guest?

Dual core server with dom0 pinned to core 0 and a single domU pinned
to core 1. Stubdom was pinned to core 0 then core 1.


Keith Coleman

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Daniel Stodden]

On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 19:50 -0500, Keith Coleman wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Daniel Stodden
> <daniel.stodden@citrix.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 17:41 -0500, Keith Coleman wrote:
> >
> >> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> >> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> >> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> >> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> >> drivers.
> >
> > Cool, thanks. If I may ask, what exactly did you run?
> 
> iometer
> 
> >> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> >> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> >> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> >> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> >> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
> >
> > Is this an SMP dom0? A single guest?
> 
> Dual core server with dom0 pinned to core 0 and a single domU pinned
> to core 1. Stubdom was pinned to core 0 then core 1.

I don't see why stubdom would be faster in either configuration. Once
you're through DM emulation, there's plenty of cycles to spend waiting
for I/O completion. So dom0 won't mind spending them on qemu either.

Daniel

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Stefano Stabellini]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
> production systems.
> 
> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> drivers.
> 
> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
> 

What disk backend are you using?
If you are using a raw file, it is worth trying with an lvm volume as well.
Also are using blktap or blktap2?

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

On 2/22/10, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
>> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
>> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
>> production systems.
>>
>> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
>> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
>> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
>> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
>> drivers.
>>
>> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
>> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
>> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
>> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
>> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
>>
>
> What disk backend are you using?

phy, LV


Keith Coleman

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Stefano Stabellini]

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> On 2/22/10, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> >> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
> >> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
> >> production systems.
> >>
> >> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> >> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> >> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> >> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> >> drivers.
> >>
> >> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> >> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> >> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> >> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> >> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
> >>
> >
> > What disk backend are you using?
> 
> phy, LV
> 

That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stefano Stabellini
<stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
>> On 2/22/10, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
>> >> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
>> >> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
>> >> production systems.
>> >>
>> >> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
>> >> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
>> >> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
>> >> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
>> >> drivers.
>> >>
>> >> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
>> >> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
>> >> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
>> >> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
>> >> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
>> >>
>> >
>> > What disk backend are you using?
>>
>> phy, LV
>>
>
> That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
>

What type of test are you doing?


Keith Coleman

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Stefano Stabellini]

On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stefano Stabellini
> <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> >> On 2/22/10, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> >> >> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
> >> >> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
> >> >> production systems.
> >> >>
> >> >> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> >> >> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> >> >> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> >> >> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> >> >> drivers.
> >> >>
> >> >> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> >> >> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> >> >> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> >> >> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> >> >> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > What disk backend are you using?
> >>
> >> phy, LV
> >>
> >
> > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> >
> 
> What type of test are you doing?
> 

these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
of=file" for 10 seconds:

qemu in dom0: 25.1 MB/s
qemu in a stubdom: 56.7 MB/s



I have just run just now "tiobench with --size 256 --numruns 4 --threads
4" using a raw file as a backend:


qemu in dom0, using blktap2, best run:

 File  Blk   Num                   Avg      Maximum      Lat%     Lat%    CPU
 Size  Size  Thr   Rate  (CPU%)  Latency    Latency      >2s      >10s    Eff
------ ----- ---  ------ ------ --------- -----------  -------- -------- -----
 256   4096    4   85.82 108.6%     0.615     1534.10   0.00000  0.00000    79

qemu in a stubdom, using phy on a loop device, best run:

 File  Blk   Num                   Avg      Maximum      Lat%     Lat%    CPU
 Size  Size  Thr   Rate  (CPU%)  Latency    Latency      >2s      >10s    Eff
------ ----- ---  ------ ------ --------- -----------  -------- -------- -----
 256   4096    4  130.49 163.8%     0.345     1459.94   0.00000  0.00000    80


These results as for the "sequential reads" test and rate is in
megabytes per second.
If I use phy on a loop device with qemu in dom0 unexpectedly I get much
worse results.
Same thing happens if I use tap:aio with qemu in a stubdom, but this is
kind of expected since blktap is never going to be as fast as blkback.

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

> > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> > >
> > 
> > What type of test are you doing?
> > 
> 
> these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
> of=file" for 10 seconds:

Keep in mind that iometer (both the Windows a Linux version) by default
do random seak of 50% reads and 50% writes. They do have some set of
templates - "web server", "file server", "database server" that change
the read/write ratio, size of blocks, and the queue length.(fyi, you can
use fio to set the same values, if you can't get dynamo to compile on
your Linux box).

Keith, which workload did you choose?

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Pasi Kärkkäinen]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 01:14:47PM +0000, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Stefano Stabellini
> > <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> > >> On 2/22/10, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> > >> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Keith Coleman wrote:
> > >> >> I am posting this to xen-devel instead of -users because it paints an
> > >> >> incomplete picture that shouldn't be the basis for deciding how to run
> > >> >> production systems.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This graph shows the performance under a webserver disk IO workload at
> > >> >> different queue depths. It compares the 4 main IO methods for windows
> > >> >> guests that will be available in the upcoming xen 4.0.0 and 3.4.3
> > >> >> releases: pure HVM, stub domains, gplpv drivers, and xcp winpv
> > >> >> drivers.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The gplpv and xcp winpv drivers have comparable performance with gplpv
> > >> >> being slightly faster. Both pv drivers are considerably faster than
> > >> >> pure hvm or stub domains. Stub domain performance was about even with
> > >> >> HVM which is lower than we were expecting. We tried a different cpu
> > >> >> pinning in "Stubdom B" with little impact.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > What disk backend are you using?
> > >>
> > >> phy, LV
> > >>
> > >
> > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> > >
> > 
> > What type of test are you doing?
> > 
> 
> these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
> of=file" for 10 seconds:
> 
> qemu in dom0: 25.1 MB/s
> qemu in a stubdom: 56.7 MB/s
>

For dd tests you might want to use "oflag=direct" to make it use direct IO,
and not domU kernel cached.. also longer test would be good.
 
> 
> 
> I have just run just now "tiobench with --size 256 --numruns 4 --threads
> 4" using a raw file as a backend:
> 
> 
> qemu in dom0, using blktap2, best run:
> 
>  File  Blk   Num                   Avg      Maximum      Lat%     Lat%    CPU
>  Size  Size  Thr   Rate  (CPU%)  Latency    Latency      >2s      >10s    Eff
> ------ ----- ---  ------ ------ --------- -----------  -------- -------- -----
>  256   4096    4   85.82 108.6%     0.615     1534.10   0.00000  0.00000    79
> 
> qemu in a stubdom, using phy on a loop device, best run:
> 
>  File  Blk   Num                   Avg      Maximum      Lat%     Lat%    CPU
>  Size  Size  Thr   Rate  (CPU%)  Latency    Latency      >2s      >10s    Eff
> ------ ----- ---  ------ ------ --------- -----------  -------- -------- -----
>  256   4096    4  130.49 163.8%     0.345     1459.94   0.00000  0.00000    80
> 
> 
> These results as for the "sequential reads" test and rate is in
> megabytes per second.
> If I use phy on a loop device with qemu in dom0 unexpectedly I get much
> worse results.
> Same thing happens if I use tap:aio with qemu in a stubdom, but this is
> kind of expected since blktap is never going to be as fast as blkback.
> 

Hmm... what's the overall cpu usage difference, measured from the hypervisor? 
"xm top" or so..

-- Pasi

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Pasi Kärkkäinen]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:44:24AM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > What type of test are you doing?
> > > 
> > 
> > these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
> > of=file" for 10 seconds:
> 
> Keep in mind that iometer (both the Windows a Linux version) by default
> do random seak of 50% reads and 50% writes. They do have some set of
> templates - "web server", "file server", "database server" that change
> the read/write ratio, size of blocks, and the queue length.(fyi, you can
> use fio to set the same values, if you can't get dynamo to compile on
> your Linux box).
> 

Does iometer run correctly on Linux nowadays? I remember it having problems
with more than 1 outstanding IO..

-- Pasi

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:39:26PM +0200, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:44:24AM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > > > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > > > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > What type of test are you doing?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
> > > of=file" for 10 seconds:
> > 
> > Keep in mind that iometer (both the Windows a Linux version) by default
> > do random seak of 50% reads and 50% writes. They do have some set of
> > templates - "web server", "file server", "database server" that change
> > the read/write ratio, size of blocks, and the queue length.(fyi, you can
> > use fio to set the same values, if you can't get dynamo to compile on
> > your Linux box).
> > 
> 
> Does iometer run correctly on Linux nowadays? I remember it having problems
> with more than 1 outstanding IO..

It seems to work for me. Thought if you download it from their web-site
expect to hack a bit of their module to make it work with new kernels.

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
<konrad.wilk@oracle.com> wrote:
>> > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
>> > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
>> > >
>> >
>> > What type of test are you doing?
>> >
>>
>> these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd if=/dev/zero
>> of=file" for 10 seconds:
>
> Keep in mind that iometer (both the Windows a Linux version) by default
> do random seak of 50% reads and 50% writes. They do have some set of
> templates - "web server", "file server", "database server" that change
> the read/write ratio, size of blocks, and the queue length.(fyi, you can
> use fio to set the same values, if you can't get dynamo to compile on
> your Linux box).
>
> Keith, which workload did you choose?
>

Web server workload was used in my graph.


Keith Coleman

Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Marco Sinhoreli]

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Hi Keith,

Do you have some KVM graph? It will be interesting to compare both.


Cheers

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen <pasik@iki.fi> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:44:24AM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > > > > That is strange because in that configuration I get a far better
> > > > > disk bandwidth with stubdoms compared to qemu running in dom0.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What type of test are you doing?
> > > >
> > >
> > > these are the results I got a while ago running a simple "dd
> if=/dev/zero
> > > of=file" for 10 seconds:
> >
> > Keep in mind that iometer (both the Windows a Linux version) by default
> > do random seak of 50% reads and 50% writes. They do have some set of
> > templates - "web server", "file server", "database server" that change
> > the read/write ratio, size of blocks, and the queue length.(fyi, you can
> > use fio to set the same values, if you can't get dynamo to compile on
> > your Linux box).
> >
>
> Does iometer run correctly on Linux nowadays? I remember it having problems
> with more than 1 outstanding IO..
>
> -- Pasi
>
>
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Re: windows domU disk performance graph comparing hvm vs stubdom vs pv drivers

[Keith Coleman]

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Marco Sinhoreli <msinhore@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
> Do you have some KVM graph? It will be interesting to compare both.
>

I have not compared to KVM.


Keith Coleman