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From: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: keir@xen.org, Ian.Campbell@citrix.com,
	stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com, George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com,
	Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com, xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [PATCH v15 01/11] multicall: add no preemption ability between two calls
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:55:43 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140912025543.GI15872@pengc-linux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54103207.5080004@citrix.com>

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:12:07PM +0100, Andrew Cooper wrote:
> On 10/09/14 11:25, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>> On 10.09.14 at 12:15, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> >> On 10/09/14 11:07, Jan Beulich wrote:
> >>>>>> On 10.09.14 at 11:43, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
> >>>> Actually, on further thought, using multicalls like this cannot possibly
> >>>> be correct from a functional point of view.
> >>>>
> >>>> Even with the no preempt flag between a wrmsr/rdmsr hypercall pair,
> >>>> there is no guarantee that accesses to remote cpus msrs won't interleave
> >>>> with a different natural access, clobbering the results of the wrmsr.
> >>>>
> >>>> However this is solved, the wrmsr/rdmsr pair *must* be part of the same
> >>>> synchronous thread of execution on the appropriate cpu.  You can trust
> >>>> that interrupts won't play with these msrs, but you absolutely can't
> >>>> guarantee that IPI/wrmsr/IPI/rdmsr will work.
> >>> Not sure I follow, particularly in the context of the white listing of
> >>> MSRs permitted here (which ought to not include anything the
> >>> hypervisor needs control over).
> >> Consider two dom0 vcpus both using this new multicall mechanism to read
> >> QoS information for different domains, which end up both targeting the
> >> same remote cpu.  They will both end up using IPI/wrmsr/IPI/rdmsr, which
> >> may interleave and clobber the first wrmsr.
> > But that situation doesn't result from the multicall use here - it would
> > equally be the case for an inherently batchable hypercall.
> 
> Indeed - I called out multicall because of the current implementation,
> but I should have been more clear.
> 
> > To deal with
> > that we'd need a wrmsr-then-rdmsr operation, or move the entire
> > execution of the batch onto the target CPU. Since the former would
> > quickly become unwieldy for more complex operations, I think this
> > gets us back to aiming at using continue_hypercall_on_cpu() here.
> 
> Which gets us back to the problem that you cannot use
> copy_{to,from}_guest() after continue_hypercall_on_cpu(), due to being
> in the wrong context.
> 
> 
> I think this requires a step back and rethink.  I can't offhand think of
> any combination of existing bits of infrastructure which will allow this
> to work correctly, which means something new needs designing.
> 
How about this:

1)  Still do the batch in do_platform_op() but add a iteration field in
the interface structure.

2)  Still use on_selected_cpus() but group the adjacent resource_ops
which have a same cpu and NO_PREEMPT set into one and do it as a whole
in the new cpu context.

Chao

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-12  2:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-05  8:37 [PATCH v15 00/11] enable Cache QoS Monitoring (CQM) feature Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 01/11] multicall: add no preemption ability between two calls Chao Peng
2014-09-05 10:46   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-09  6:43     ` Chao Peng
2014-09-09 10:39       ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-09 10:51         ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-09 11:51           ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-09 12:44             ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-09 13:15               ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-10  1:32                 ` Chao Peng
2014-09-10  9:43                   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-10 10:07                     ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-10 10:15                       ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-10 10:25                         ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-10 11:12                           ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-12  2:55                             ` Chao Peng [this message]
2014-09-17  9:22                               ` Chao Peng
2014-09-17  9:44                                 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-18 13:45                                   ` Chao Peng
2014-09-18 14:22                                     ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 02/11] x86: add generic resource (e.g. MSR) access hypercall Chao Peng
2014-09-05 10:59   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-05 11:49     ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-10  2:55     ` Chao Peng
2014-09-29 18:52       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-09-30  7:45         ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 03/11] xsm: add resource operation related xsm policy Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 04/11] tools: provide interface for generic resource access Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 05/11] x86: detect and initialize Platform QoS Monitoring feature Chao Peng
2014-09-05 11:05   ` Andrew Cooper
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 06/11] x86: dynamically attach/detach QoS monitoring service for a guest Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 07/11] x86: collect global QoS monitoring information Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 08/11] x86: enable QoS monitoring for each domain RMID Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 09/11] x86: add QoS monitoring related MSRs in allowed list Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 10/11] xsm: add platform QoS related xsm policies Chao Peng
2014-09-05  8:37 ` [PATCH v15 11/11] tools: CMDs and APIs for Platform QoS Monitoring Chao Peng

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