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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
To: Ross Lagerwall <ross.lagerwall@citrix.com>
Cc: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	Wei Liu <liuw@liuw.name>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org, Julien Grall <julien.grall@arm.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH for-4.9] livepatch: Declare live patching as a supported feature
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:41:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170628164131.GD911@char.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ee8fae94-34b0-1b3f-8632-dc1583ed07e4@citrix.com>

. snip..
> > Now all of the customers that have applied those patches are vulnerable.
> > 
> > Do you:
> > 
> > 1. Tell the reporter to post it publicly to xen-devel immediately, since
> > livepatch tools are not security supported -- thus "zero-day"-ing all
> > your customers (as well as anyone else who happens to have used x.yy to
> > build a hypervisor)?
> > 
> > 2. Secretly take advantage of Citrix' privileged position on the
> > security list, and try to get an update out to your customers before it
> > gets announced (but allowing everyone *else* using gcc x.yy to
> > experience a zero-day)?
> > 
> > 3. Issue an XSA so that everyone has the opportunity to fix things up
> > before making a public announcement, and so that anyone not on the
> > embargo list gets an alert, so they know to either update their own
> > livepatches, or look for updates from their software provider?
> > 
> > I think #3 is the only possible choice.
> > 
> >   -George
> > 
> 
> The issue here is that any bug in livepatch-build-tools which still results
> in output being generated would be a security issue, because someone might
> have used it to patch a security issue. livepatch-build-tools is certainly
> not stable enough yet (ever?) to be treated in this fashion.
> 

To add a bit. The livepatch-build-tools does not have to be used to 
create the livepatches. One can use other tools to create the livepatches
(like for example the test-cases).

And there is a nice design http://xenbits.xen.org/docs/unstable/misc/livepatch.html
(see "Design of payload format") which describes what the format of this livepatch
MUST be.

> -- 
> Ross Lagerwall

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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-26 15:36 [PATCH for-4.9] livepatch: Declare live patching as a supported feature Ross Lagerwall
2017-06-26 16:39 ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-26 16:50   ` George Dunlap
2017-06-26 16:53     ` Ian Jackson
2017-06-26 17:18     ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-27  8:37       ` George Dunlap
2017-06-27 10:47         ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-27 10:49           ` George Dunlap
2017-06-26 16:50   ` Ross Lagerwall
2017-06-26 17:04     ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-27  6:04   ` Jan Beulich
2017-06-27  7:19     ` Julien Grall
2017-06-27 11:23       ` Jan Beulich
2017-06-27 11:34     ` George Dunlap
2017-06-26 17:00 ` George Dunlap
2017-06-26 17:30   ` Andrew Cooper
2017-06-27  9:17     ` George Dunlap
2017-06-28 16:18       ` Ross Lagerwall
2017-06-28 16:41         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2017-06-30 13:42         ` George Dunlap
2017-07-03 14:53           ` Ross Lagerwall
2017-07-04  8:36             ` Roger Pau Monné
2017-08-03 17:20             ` George Dunlap
2017-08-03 17:21               ` George Dunlap
2017-08-06  0:07                 ` Is:livepatch-build-tools.git declare it supported? Was:Re: " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-08-07 10:26                   ` George Dunlap
2017-08-07 15:59                     ` Jan Beulich
2017-08-08 11:16                       ` George Dunlap
2017-08-09  7:36                         ` Jan Beulich
2017-08-21 10:59                           ` George Dunlap
2017-08-21 12:07                             ` Jan Beulich
2017-08-21 15:28                               ` George Dunlap
2017-08-22  6:37                                 ` Jan Beulich
2017-08-22 10:58                                   ` George Dunlap
2017-08-22 11:16                                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2017-08-29 14:44                                 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-08-29 14:46                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2017-08-29 14:48                                   ` George Dunlap
2017-06-26 18:29 ` Julien Grall
2017-06-26 21:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2017-06-27  7:24     ` Julien Grall
2017-06-27  8:09       ` Lars Kurth
2017-06-27 10:49         ` Ian Jackson
2017-06-27 10:59           ` Lars Kurth
2017-06-27 10:46       ` Ian Jackson

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