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From: Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>
To: Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Sander Eikelenboom <linux@eikelenboom.it>,
	"Cihula, Joseph" <joseph.cihula@intel.com>,
	Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:12:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B59098B.6000108@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C77E162B.6FE6%keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>

Keir Fraser wrote:
> If we want to keep iommu=1 as default, then it is unacceptable to fail to
> boot on a fairly wide range of modern systems. We have to warn-and-disable,
> partially or completely, unless iommu=force is specified. Or we need to
> revert to iommu=0 as the default.
>
> What do you think, Weidong?
>   
Yes. I agree to warn-and-disable for these BIOS issues, and consider 
security more when iommu=force. Therefore I will implement a patch based 
on Nororu's patch.

Regards,
Weidong

>  -- Keir
>
> On 21/01/2010 14:17, "Sander Eikelenboom" <linux@eikelenboom.it> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello Weidong,
>>
>> The problem is most vendor's just don't fix it and ignore the problem
>> completely.
>> Most often hiding them selves behind: come back when it's a problem with
>> Microsoft Windows, that the only single thing we support (and no other
>> software, so no vmware, no xen, no linux, perhaps even no hypervisor)
>> Well I don't know if the virtual pc in windows 7 supports an iommu now, but it
>> didn't in the past as far as i know, so any complain bounces off, and there it
>> all seems to end for them.
>>
>> Besides that i don't know if they do know what the problems with there
>> implementation in BIOS is when someone reports it.
>> I think some behind the scenes pressure from Intel to vendors might help to
>> solve some of them.
>> (my Q35 chipset, "Intel V-PRO" marketed motherboard (so much for that) also
>> suffers RMRR problem when another graphics card is inserted which switches off
>> the IGD).
>>
>> Although i think in my case your patch will work around that for me. Perhaps a
>> third option is needed, which does all the workarounds possible and warns
>> about potential security problem when requested ?
>>
>> --
>> Sander
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thursday, January 21, 2010, 1:46:39 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Noboru Iwamatsu wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi Weidong,
>>>>
>>>> I re-send the DRHD-fix patch.
>>>>
>>>> If DRHD does not have existent devices, ignore it.
>>>> If DRHD has both existent and non-existent devices, consider it invalid
>>>> and not register.
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>> Although you patch workarounds your buggy BIOS, but we still need to
>>> enable it for security purpose as I mentioned in previous mail. We
>>> needn't workaround / fix all BIOS issues in software. I think security
>>> is more important for this specific BIOS issue. Did you report the BIOS
>>> issue to your OEM vendor? maybe it's better to get it fixed in BIOS.
>>>       
>>> Regards,
>>> Weidong
>>>       
>>>> According to this patch and yours, my machine successfully booted
>>>> with vt-d enabled.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>>>> Keir Fraser wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>           
>>>>>> On 21/01/2010 10:19, "Weidong Han" <weidong.han@intel.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>> Sorry this is typo.
>>>>>>>> I mean:
>>>>>>>> So, I think RMRR that has no-existent device is "invalid"
>>>>>>>> and whole RMRR should be ignored.
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> looks reasonable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keir, I Acks Noboru's rmrr patch. Or do you want us to merge them to one
>>>>>>> patch?
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Merge them up, re-send with both sign-off and acked-by all in one email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Keir
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Sorry, I disagree with Noboru after thinking it again. If the RMRR has
>>>>> both no-existent device and also has existent devices in its scope, we
>>>>> should not ignore it because the existent devices under its scope will
>>>>> be impacted without the RMRR. so I suggest to print a warning instead of
>>>>> ignore it. Attached a patch for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>
>>>>>     
>>>>>           
>>>>   
>>>>         
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>   

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-22  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21  2:46 [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Han, Weidong
2010-01-21  8:25 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:38   ` Han, Weidong
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:08       ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:19         ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 10:27           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 10:49             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:19               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:46                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 14:01                   ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 14:17                   ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-21 14:33                     ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  2:12                       ` Weidong Han [this message]
2010-01-22  2:38                         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  2:53                           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  3:16                             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  8:47                               ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  9:19                                 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-22 12:15                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 12:32                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 12:40                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-23 13:08                                         ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 14:33                                           ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-23 14:54                                             ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25 16:40                                               ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-25 16:58                                                 ` Documentation Xen-hypervisor and Dom0 xen-related boot options (was Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options) Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 20:56                                                   ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-27 11:33                                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25  7:06                                 ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25  7:56                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:02                                     ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25  9:11                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:22                                     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25 10:08                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 10:45                                         ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 13:43                                           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-25 13:57                                             ` Christian Tramnitz
2010-01-25 14:10                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  1:16                                               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  5:51                                                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  6:38                                                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  6:42                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:12                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:13                                             ` Han, Weidong
2010-03-09 21:39                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 21:30                                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 21:57                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 22:22                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 23:05                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 23:25                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:13                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:40                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:18                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  3:28                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:37                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  4:25                                           ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  4:47                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  7:03                                               ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 13:56                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 18:06                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  2:11                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  2:32                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  3:44                                                         ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  4:52                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  8:30                                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 15:28                     ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 15:04                 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  1:35                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:13       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:09         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:38           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  0:23             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:45   ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21  9:15   ` Keir Fraser

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