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From: Weidong Han <weidong.han@intel.com>
To: "Pasi Kärkkäinen" <pasik@iki.fi>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Noboru Iwamatsu <n_iwamatsu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"Cihula, Joseph" <joseph.cihula@intel.com>,
	"Kay, Allen M" <allen.m.kay@intel.com>,
	Sander Eikelenboom <linux@eikelenboom.it>,
	"keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com" <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:40:10 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B5AEE2A.5040100@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100122123235.GZ2861@reaktio.net>

Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 08:15:11PM +0800, Weidong Han wrote:
>   
>> Sander Eikelenboom wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello Weidong,
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be more clear to add an option to iommu= for this case ?
>>>
>>> if iommu=on,..,..,security
>>>
>>> With the security option specified:
>>>      -it would be most strict in it's checks, since enforcing security with the iommu requires that as you have pointed out.
>>>      -warn,fail or panic incase it can't enable all to enforce the security.
>>>   
>>>       
>> iommu=force is for security. It does as you described above. So I think  
>> "security" option is not necessary.
>>     
>>> Without the security option specified (default)
>>>      - it tries to work as with the security option specified
>>>      - but incase of problems makes the assumption the iommu's main task is not security, but making as much of vt-d working to keep the passthrough functionality
>>>      - it will only warn, that you will lose the security part, that it would be wise to let your bios be fixed, and not making it panic
>>>      - and keep vt-d enabled
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> the default iommu=1 works like iommu=force if BIOS is correct. But in  
>> fact we encountered some buggy BIOS, and then we added some workarounds  
>> to make VT-d still be enabled,  or warn and disable VT-d if the issue is  
>> regarded as invalid and cannot be workarounded. These workarounds make  
>> Xen more defensive to VT-d BIOS issues. The panic only occurs when  
>> operating VT-d hardware fails, because it means the hardware is possibly  
>> malfunctional.
>>
>> In short, default iommu=1 can workaround known VT-d BIOS issues we  
>> observed till now, while iommu=force ensures best security provided by 
>> VT-d.
>>
>>     
>
> So the default iommu=1 might be insecure? And iommu=force is always secure? 
>
> To me "force" sounds like it makes it work always, no matter if it's secure or not..
>   
The "security" here means the protection provided VT-d. The main 
difference between them is iommu=force tries to enable all VT-d units in 
any case, if any VT-d unit cannot enabled, it will quit Xen booting 
(panic), thus it guarantees security provided by VT-d. while when 
iommu=1, in order to workaround some BIOS issues, it will ignore some 
invalid DRHDs, or disable whole VT-d to keep Xen work without VT-d. 

Regards,
Weidong

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-23 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-21  2:46 [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Han, Weidong
2010-01-21  8:25 ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:38   ` Han, Weidong
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:08       ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:19         ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 10:27           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 10:49             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:19               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:46                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 14:01                   ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-21 14:17                   ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-21 14:33                     ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  2:12                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  2:38                         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  2:53                           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  3:16                             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-22  8:47                               ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  9:19                                 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-22 12:15                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22 12:32                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 12:40                                       ` Weidong Han [this message]
2010-01-23 13:08                                         ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-23 14:33                                           ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-23 14:54                                             ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25 16:40                                               ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-25 16:58                                                 ` Documentation Xen-hypervisor and Dom0 xen-related boot options (was Re: [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking, documenting boot options) Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 20:56                                                   ` Stephen Spector
2010-01-27 11:33                                                     ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-01-25  7:06                                 ` [PATCH] VT-d: improve RMRR validity checking Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25  7:56                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:02                                     ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25  9:11                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25  9:22                                     ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-25 10:08                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 10:45                                         ` Sander Eikelenboom
2010-01-25 13:43                                           ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-25 13:57                                             ` Christian Tramnitz
2010-01-25 14:10                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  1:16                                               ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  5:51                                                 ` Weidong Han
2010-01-26  6:38                                                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-26  6:42                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:12                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-25 14:13                                             ` Han, Weidong
2010-03-09 21:39                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 21:30                                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 21:57                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 22:22                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 23:05                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-09 23:25                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:13                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  2:40                                   ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:18                                     ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  3:28                                       ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  3:37                                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  4:25                                           ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10  4:47                                             ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10  7:03                                               ` Weidong Han
2010-03-10 13:56                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-10 18:06                                                   ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  2:11                                                     ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  2:32                                                       ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  3:44                                                         ` Weidong Han
2010-03-11  4:52                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2010-03-11  8:30                                                             ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 15:28                     ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 15:04                 ` Keir Fraser
2010-01-22  1:35                   ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 10:13       ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21 12:09         ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21 12:38           ` Weidong Han
2010-01-22  0:23             ` Noboru Iwamatsu
2010-01-21  8:45   ` Andrew Lyon
2010-01-21 10:03     ` Weidong Han
2010-01-21  9:15   ` Keir Fraser

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