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From: Joanna Rutkowska <joanna@invisiblethingslab.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Tobias Geiger <tobias.geiger@vido.info>, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
Subject: Re: A clocksource question
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:13:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B9AAE6A.6050801@invisiblethingslab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B9AABB9.7030906@invisiblethingslab.com>


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On 03/12/2010 10:01 PM, Joanna Rutkowska wrote:
> On 03/12/2010 11:02 PM, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> On 03/12/2010 01:56 PM, Tobias Geiger wrote:
>>> kbpc2:~# cat
>>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
>>> xen
>>> kbpc2:~# cat
>>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource
>>> xen
>>> kbpc2:~# echo "jiffies"
>>>   
>>>> /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource
>>>>      
>>> kbpc2:~# dmesg  | tail -1
>>> [ 7898.642404] Override clocksource jiffies is not HRT compatible.
>>> Cannot switch
>>> while in HRT/NOHZ mode
>>> kbpc2:~#
>>>
>>> Seems like it's not possible to switch to jiffies - however:
>>> kbpc2:~# zcat /proc/config.gz | grep NO_HZ
>>> # CONFIG_NO_HZ is not set
>>>
>>> but CONFIG_SCHED_HRTICK=y
>>>    
>>
>> Interesting.  BTW, does NO_HZ change the behaviour of this?  In
>> principle NO_HZ should be preferable, and particularly in a virtual
>> machine since it should limit the number of timer interrupts.
>>
>> Joanna, are you using NO_HZ?
>>
> Yes, I have:
> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
> 
> BTW, FWIW, I'm attaching my kernel config. It's almost the same as the
> previously mentioned "Young's Dec23" kernel (the only difference being
> some more recent pvops git patches applied and pcifront being enabled as
> a module).
> 
> While trying to switch from xen source to jiffies source, I got the same
> message as Tobias:
> 
> jiffies clocksource is not HRT compatible. Cannot switch while in
> HRT/NOHZ mode
> 
> I can definitely say that this previously mentioned warning from hrtimer
> about interrupt being too slow is the marking of the start of all the
> troubles. E.g. when I run my Dom0 for some time without starting any
> other VMs, the system behaves good, and no warning in dmesg. Only after
> I start a VM, and probably depending on how heavy load it produces, the
> warning appears in Dom0 dmesg and the problem becomes "feelable". And,
> depending on what new "delta" is being chosen, the system is either
> still usable -- e.g. with a delta like in this case:
> 
> hrtimer: interrupt too slow, forcing clock min delta to 82595226 ns
> 
> which is around 80ms (still the very subtle hiccups can be observed when
> you press and hold a key for some time), or totally unusable, if one is
> unlucky, and the "safe" delta got chosen to be something around 0.5s
> (which interestingly happens most often in my case).
> 
> The "clocksource tsc unstable" messages trouble me too BTW. They seem to
> appear before the hrtimer "interrupt too slow" messages.
> 

But this "tsc unstable" message does not seem to be so critical, e.g. I
just started my system (xen clocksource) and started a VM, and got the
usual hrtimer "slow interrupt" warning, and then all the symptoms
started, but there no "tsc unstables" warning in dmesg.

However, I previously missed another message, that seem to occur at the
very beginning of the system life (before I started any other VMs):

Marking TSC unstable due to TSC halts in idle

j.


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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-09 10:47 A clocksource question Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-09 10:50 ` Keir Fraser
2010-03-09 10:54   ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-09 11:06     ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-09 12:07       ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2010-03-09 12:10         ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-09 15:42       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-03-09 23:36 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-10 22:13   ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-11  0:07     ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-03-11  0:15       ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-11  0:21       ` Ian Pratt
2010-03-11  0:44         ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-03-12  0:34           ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-11  0:52         ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-11  1:06           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-11  1:19             ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-11  4:55               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-11 10:49                 ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-12  0:27                 ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-12  0:49                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-12  0:38                     ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-12 19:02                       ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-12 21:24                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-12 21:56                           ` Tobias Geiger
2010-03-12 22:02                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-12 21:01                               ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-12 21:13                                 ` Joanna Rutkowska [this message]
2010-03-12 23:48                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-13  9:58                                     ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-13 19:30                                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-15  6:49                                         ` Tobias Geiger
2010-03-16  6:01                                         ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-17 13:35                                           ` Tobias Geiger
2010-03-17 15:21                                             ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-17 16:20                                             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-17 17:05                                               ` Joanna Rutkowska
2010-03-17 17:21                                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-03-17 16:26                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2010-03-12 22:56                               ` Tobias Geiger
2010-03-11  7:47     ` Keir Fraser
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2010-03-12 11:42 Tobias Geiger

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