From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Andre Przywara <andre.przywara@amd.com>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RFC: Linux: disable APERF/MPERF feature in PV kernels
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:21:23 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FBCE453.5080206@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FBCF1B902000078000857D7@nat28.tlf.novell.com>
On 23/05/12 13:18, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 23.05.12 at 13:11, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 23/05/12 08:34, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> First of all I'm of the opinion that this indeed should not be
>>> masked in the hypervisor - there's no reason to disallow the
>>> guest to read these registers (but we should of course deny
>>> writes as long as Xen is controlling P-states, which we do).
>> I am sorry but I am going to have to disagree with you on this point.
>>
>> We should not be advertising this feature to any guest at all if we
>> can't provide an implementation which works as native expects. Else we
>> are failing in our job of virtualisation.
> That's perhaps a matter of the position you take - for HVM, I
> would agree with yours, but there's many more aspects (not
> the least related to accessing other MSRs) that we fail to
> "properly" virtualize for PV guests - my position is that it is the
> nature of PV that guest kernels have to be aware of being
> virtualized (and hence stay away from doing certain things
> unless [they think] they know what they're doing).
>
>> There is 'dom0_vcpus_pin'[1] which identity pins dom0 vcpus, and
>> prevents update of the affinity masks, and appears to conditionally
>> allow access to certain MSRs. I think it would be fine to expose this
>> feature iff dom0s vcpus are pinned in this fashion. That way, the
>> measurement should succeed, even if dom0 only has read access to the MSRs.
> Restricting it to this case would be too restrictive - it really
> makes sense at any time where the vCPU's affinity has exactly
> one bit set (or to be precise, the intersection of it and the set
> of online pCPU-s).
>
> Jan
>
That is unfortunately too lax. You also need to be able to guarantee
that the affinity mask is not updated (and vcpu rescheduled) while in
the middle of a measurement. Xen cant sensibly work out if or when a
guest is taking a measurement, nor can dom0. So the only safe solution
I can see is for Xen to prevent the affinity masks from ever being
updated. With more thought, this would also preclude migration of a
guest to another host.
--
Andrew Cooper - Dom0 Kernel Engineer, Citrix XenServer
T: +44 (0)1223 225 900, http://www.citrix.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-05-23 13:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-05-22 16:07 [PATCH] RFC: Linux: disable APERF/MPERF feature in PV kernels Andre Przywara
2012-05-22 16:52 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2012-05-22 17:08 ` Malcolm Crossley
2012-05-23 8:10 ` Jan Beulich
2012-05-22 20:46 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-22 17:18 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-22 21:02 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-22 21:00 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-22 22:44 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-23 13:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-24 13:24 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-29 10:54 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-23 7:34 ` Jan Beulich
2012-05-23 9:14 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-23 9:43 ` Jan Beulich
2012-05-23 9:52 ` Andre Przywara
2012-05-23 10:01 ` Jan Beulich
2012-05-23 11:11 ` Andrew Cooper
2012-05-23 12:18 ` Jan Beulich
2012-05-23 13:21 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2012-05-23 13:31 ` Andre Przywara
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