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From: Zhigang Wang <zhigang.x.wang@oracle.com>
To: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	"Keir (Xen.org)" <keir@xen.org>,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	"Tim (Xen.org)" <tim@xen.org>, Olaf Hering <olaf@aepfle.de>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	George Shuklin <george.shuklin@gmail.com>,
	DarioFaggioli <raistlin@linux.it>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Proposed new "memory capacity claim" hypercall/feature
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 17:58:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50984485.3010405@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1352154288.7253.25.camel@hastur.hellion.org.uk>

On 11/05/2012 05:24 PM, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 14:54 +0000, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2012-11-05 at 00:23 +0000, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>>>> There is no "free up enough memory on that host". Tmem doesn't start
>>>> ballooning out enough memory to start the VM... the guests are
>>>> responsible for doing the ballooning and it is _already done_.  The
>>>> machine either has sufficient free+freeable memory or it does not;
>>> How does one go about deciding which host in a multi thousand host
>>> deployment to try the claim hypercall on?
> I guess I don't see how your proposed claim hypercall is useful if you
> can't decide which machine you should call it on, whether it's 10s, 100s
> or 1000s of hosts. Surely you aren't suggesting that the toolstack try
> it on all (or even a subset) of them and see which sticks?
>
> By ignoring this part of the problem I think you are ignoring one of the
> most important bits of the story, without which it is very hard to make
> a useful and informed determination about the validity of the use cases
> you are describing for the new call.
Planned implement:

1. Every Server (dom0) sends memory statistics to Manager every 20 seconds
(tunable).
2. At one time, Manager selects a Server to run VM based on the snapshot of
Server memory. Selected server should have: enough free memory for the VM or
have free + freeable memory > VM memory.

Two ways to handle failures:

1. Try start_vm on the first selected Server. If failed, try the second one.

2. Try reserve memory on the first Server. If failed, try the second one. If
success, start_vm on the Server.

>From high level, Dan's proposal could help with 2). If memory allocation is fast
enough (VM start failed/success very fast), then 1) is preferred.

Thanks,

Zhigang

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-05 22:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-29 17:06 Proposed new "memory capacity claim" hypercall/feature Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-29 18:24 ` Keir Fraser
2012-10-29 21:08   ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-29 22:22     ` Keir Fraser
2012-10-29 23:03       ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-29 23:17         ` Keir Fraser
2012-10-30 15:13           ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-30 14:43             ` Keir Fraser
2012-10-30 16:33               ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-30  9:11         ` George Dunlap
2012-10-30 16:13           ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-29 22:35 ` Tim Deegan
2012-10-29 23:21   ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-30  8:13     ` Tim Deegan
2012-10-30 15:26       ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-30  8:29     ` Jan Beulich
2012-10-30 15:43       ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-30 16:04         ` Jan Beulich
2012-10-30 17:13           ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-31  8:14             ` Jan Beulich
2012-10-31 16:04               ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-10-31 16:19                 ` Jan Beulich
2012-10-31 16:51                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-02  9:01                     ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-02  9:30                       ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-04 19:43                         ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-04 20:35                           ` Tim Deegan
2012-11-05  0:23                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-05 10:29                               ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-05 14:54                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-05 22:24                                   ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-05 22:58                                     ` Zhigang Wang [this message]
2012-11-05 22:58                                     ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-06 13:23                                       ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-05 22:33                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-06 10:49                               ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-05  9:16                           ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-07 22:17                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-08  7:36                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-08 10:11                                 ` Ian Jackson
2012-11-08 10:57                                   ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-08 21:45                                   ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-12 11:03                                     ` Ian Jackson
2012-11-08  8:00                               ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-08  8:18                                 ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-08  8:54                                   ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-08  9:12                                     ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-08  9:47                                       ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-08 10:50                                         ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-08 13:48                                           ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-08 19:16                                             ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-08 22:32                                               ` Keir Fraser
2012-11-09  8:47                                               ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-08 18:38                                 ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-05 17:14         ` George Dunlap
2012-11-05 18:21           ` Dan Magenheimer
2012-11-01  2:13   ` Dario Faggioli
2012-11-01 15:51     ` Dan Magenheimer

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