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From: ANNIE LI <annie.li@oracle.com>
To: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: KonradRzeszutekWilk <konrad@kernel.org>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: netchannel vs MAX_SKB_FRAGS (Was: Re: [PATCH] xen/netfront: handle compound page fragments on transmit)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:30:16 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50AED1A8.30607@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1353427456.13542.65.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>



On 2012-11-21 0:04, Ian Campbell wrote:
> Limiting to just xen-devel folks.
>
> On Tue, 2012-11-20 at 15:54 +0000, Ian Campbell wrote:
>
> This highlights a couple of issues, the main one is that implicitly
> including MAX_SKB_FRAGS in the PV net protocol is just madness. It can
> and has changed in the past. Someone really needs to (retroactively)
> figure out what a sensible default minimum which front and back must
> support is and use it in the front and backends instead of
> MAX_SKB_FRAGS. Probably something derived from the existing 64K limit
> (Linux has used 17 and 18 as MAX_SKB_FRAGS in the past).
>
> Then perhaps implement a feature-flag to allow front and backends to
> negotiate something bigger if they like.
>
> It might also be interesting for front and backends to coalesce multiple
> ring slots into compound pages.

Yes, MAX_SKB_FRAGS is max frag number, not max slot number required.
But I am not so clear about the whole implementation here. Does it mean 
netfront/netback uses something like MAX_SKB_FRAGS*SLOTS_PER_FRAG? and 
SLOTS_PER_FRAG can be adjusted based on different situation? If netfront 
and netback negotiate this value, then xenstore key feature is required, 
right?
As mentioned in another compound page fragments patch, for non-compound 
page, this value could be 64K/PAGE_SIZE + 1, but if taking account into 
compound page, the worse case is around 48 slots(in 1+4096+1 case). It 
is hard to negotiate this between netfront and netback for different 
packets.

Thanks
Annie
> I don't have time for either of those unfortunately
>
> Ian.
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-23  1:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1349790467.21847.185.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-09 13:54 ` compound skb frag pages appearing in start_xmit Eric Dumazet
     [not found] ` <1349790863.21172.4406.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-10-09 14:01   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-09 14:17   ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]   ` <1349791305.21172.4425.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-10-09 14:23     ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]     ` <1349792617.21847.205.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-09 14:33       ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]       ` <1349793217.21172.4497.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-10-09 14:54         ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]   ` <1349792241.21847.199.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-09 14:27     ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]     ` <1349792847.21172.4479.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-10-09 14:40       ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]       ` <1349793630.21847.208.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-09 14:51         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-10-10 10:13         ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]         ` <1349863984.10070.26.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-10 12:24           ` Sander Eikelenboom
2012-10-10 12:29             ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]             ` <1349872149.10070.31.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-10 13:31               ` Sander Eikelenboom
2012-10-10 13:09           ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]           ` <1349874598.10070.39.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-10 14:49             ` Sander Eikelenboom
     [not found]             ` <748966751.20121010164949@eikelenboom.it>
2012-10-11  8:02               ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]               ` <1349942546.14806.7.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-11 10:00                 ` Sander Eikelenboom
     [not found]                 ` <151954917.20121011120004@eikelenboom.it>
2012-10-11 10:05                   ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                   ` <1349949924.21172.8462.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-10-11 10:14                     ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                     ` <1349950494.14806.29.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-10-11 10:20                       ` Sander Eikelenboom
2012-11-15  2:31                       ` ANNIE LI
     [not found]                       ` <50A4540E.1010601@oracle.com>
2012-11-19 15:43                         ` Sander Eikelenboom
2012-11-20  8:30                           ` Stefan Bader
     [not found]                           ` <50AB3F9D.4070905@canonical.com>
2012-11-20  9:21                             ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-20 11:36                               ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-20 11:40                               ` [PATCH] xen/netfront: handle compound page fragments on transmit Ian Campbell
     [not found]                               ` <1353411606-15940-1-git-send-email-ian.campbell@citrix.com>
2012-11-20 12:28                                 ` Jan Beulich
2012-11-20 13:30                                 ` Stefan Bader
     [not found]                                 ` <50AB856D02000078000A9EFD@nat28.tlf.novell.com>
2012-11-20 13:35                                   ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                   ` <1353418516.13542.38.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-11-20 13:51                                     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                                     ` <50AB990602000078000A9F5B@nat28.tlf.novell.com>
2012-11-20 14:14                                       ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                       ` <1353420865.13542.44.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-11-20 14:32                                         ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                                         ` <50ABA29902000078000A9FB1@nat28.tlf.novell.com>
2012-11-20 15:06                                           ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                           ` <1353424014.13542.49.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-11-20 15:28                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-20 15:44                                             ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]                                             ` <1353425308.2590.11.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-11-20 15:54                                               ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                                               ` <1353426878.13542.59.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-11-20 16:04                                                 ` netchannel vs MAX_SKB_FRAGS (Was: Re: [PATCH] xen/netfront: handle compound page fragments on transmit) Ian Campbell
2012-11-23  1:30                                                   ` ANNIE LI [this message]
2012-11-23  2:10                                                     ` James Harper
2012-11-23  6:49                                                       ` ANNIE LI
2012-11-23  9:22                                                       ` Paul Durrant
2012-11-23  9:26                                                         ` James Harper
2012-11-23  9:34                                                           ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-23  9:18                                                     ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-23 15:08                                                       ` annie li
     [not found]                                             ` <50ABB38202000078000AA0FD@nat28.tlf.novell.com>
2012-11-20 16:14                                               ` [PATCH] xen/netfront: handle compound page fragments on transmit Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                                 ` <50AB860E.3090106@canonical.com>
2012-11-20 13:45                                   ` Sander Eikelenboom
2012-11-20 14:45                                 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]                                 ` <1353422735.2590.6.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
2012-11-20 15:05                                   ` Ian Campbell
2012-11-21  2:52                                 ` ANNIE LI
     [not found]                                 ` <50AC41F7.7080609@oracle.com>
2012-11-21 11:09                                   ` Ian Campbell
     [not found]                               ` <1353411413.13542.31.camel@zakaz.uk.xensource.com>
2012-11-21  2:42                                 ` compound skb frag pages appearing in start_xmit ANNIE LI

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