From: Lars Kurth <lars.kurth@xen.org>
To: "xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
"George.Dunlap@citrix.com" <George.Dunlap@citrix.com>
Subject: [Hackathon Minutes] Xen 4.4 Planning
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:00:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51B9D08E.4000905@xen.org> (raw)
This took me a while to post, but given that we are not starting 4.4
just yet, this may be appropriate now. I may have misrepresented some
stuff as it has been 4 weeks since I wrote these.
Cheers
Lars
= Purpose of Roadmap =
* Set a vision for interesting features
* Track items
* Help consumers of Xen with their planning
= Release Models that work well =
There was a brief discussion on two different release models
* Train leaves the station (Linux)
* Release when ready (Debian)
== Stefano's Proposal ==
We should aim to reduce the release cycle to 4 months (or maybe 6 months
as an intermediate step) from the current 9 months. A 4 months relase
cycle should help accelerate development and lead to fewer patches being
queued up. The implications are that we would have to operate a 2-3
weeks merge window.
To do this, we would need to resolve a number of issues
* It is likely that code reviews for such a short merge window would
become a bottleneck. We are not sure whether this would be a major issue
: the review bandwith would depend on the patches submitted (and their
complexity)
* [I can't remember who raised this] The concern was raised that we
would not have enough x86 Xen reviewers got a 2-3 weeks merge window
* [Konrad] Stated that in PVOPS for Linux contributions we don't have a
review bottleneck, but we should make sure that the Xen and PVOPS/Linux
merge window don't overlap (as this would require the same set of people
to review patches in two projects)
* The rest of the time (approx 3 months) would be used for stabilizing
the release
* If we had a more extensive testing framework, and thus better testing,
we could tighten the RC period (making this happen is also being
discussed by the Advisory Board)
Additional conerns raised:
* [Matt Wilson]: if we had shorter merge windows, there is a risk that
we would end up with unnused code (uncompleted features) in mainline.
Something which we'd rather not have
* [I can't remember who raised this] But we already have a buffer via
staging : we could make more use of this
[Conclusion] We aLL agreed, that a release cycle of less than 9 months
is desirable. Maybe we can go to 6 months for Xen 4.4 (before being more
aggressive).
= 4.3 Release cycle : what worked well / didn't work well =
* The 4.3 release updates and criteria went well
* BUT : 50% of what was supposed to be in 4.3 didn't make it
** In some cases, we simply underestimated the effort that is needed.
Concrete example : QEMU/stubdomain was a combination of under-estimating
the size and over-estimating the development bandwidth that was available
** Some of the high-impact features (e.g. PVH) came in too late in the
dev cycle. Mitigation : break contributions into smaller parts and
submit earlier in the merge window. The same applies to changes to
generic code.
* BUT : Some patches were lost (i.e. when there are spikes of activity
it becomes hard for some maintainers/committers to keep on top of their
queue).
** [Ian Campell] said that we should rely on submitter to resend the
patch: the assumption is that if the patch is not important, the
submitter will badger and resend.
** [Lars] raised the point that this can alienate contributors and get
them to look at other projects instead.
** [Can't remember who said this] Maybe use patchwork
(http://jk.ozlabs.org/projects/patchwork/) to track patches
** [Ian Campbell]: patchwork looks like a good idea, but may not work
well in practice
[Note] We should probably have a discussion or some sort of trial. It
may also be possible to use the http://bugs.xenproject.org prototype (or
add a "deferred patch" attribute)
[Note] We typically start opening the dev branch at RC5/6 (not sure I
quite got this)
[Note] We don't actually have a list of patches that got lost in the 4.3
release cycle )-:
[ACTION]: George write up a proposal for the beginning of the 4.4
release cycle
= 4.4 Content =
George volunteers to be the Release co-ordinator for Xen 4.4 (to apply
what he learned)
* Big features that did not make it in 4.3
* PVH? What will make it into 4.4
* Missed patches (don't have a list)
* "User" features that look interesting
** Network effects
** We shouldn't have broken feature
** What about XenClient / VirtualComputer being able to help out in
adding mopre support for PCI / VGA cards
** Other features: Sharing dom0 keyboard / mouse
* GPU passthrough
** We have an issue with graphics card support
** A lot of users care about GPU passthrough (but not many vendors)
** Maybe we could mentor somebody about GPU passthrough?
** Maybe we could get XenClient, VirtualComputer or Qubes to pick this
up (or partly do so)?
next reply other threads:[~2013-06-13 14:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-13 14:00 Lars Kurth [this message]
2013-06-13 14:22 ` [Hackathon Minutes] Xen 4.4 Planning Jan Beulich
2013-06-13 15:11 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-13 15:30 ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-13 15:39 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-17 8:27 ` Fabio Fantoni
2013-06-17 9:52 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-13 14:31 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-13 14:52 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-13 15:06 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-14 17:41 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-06-13 14:43 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-13 17:09 ` Ben Guthro
2013-06-13 18:07 ` Pasi Kärkkäinen
2013-06-13 21:03 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-13 23:56 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-14 7:01 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 9:46 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-14 11:53 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 12:32 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-14 12:49 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 13:34 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-14 13:55 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-14 14:44 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-14 14:55 ` Gordan Bobic
2013-06-14 15:00 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-14 15:09 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-14 15:43 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 21:05 ` Ian Murray
2013-06-19 21:22 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 15:44 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 17:25 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-06-14 8:15 ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-14 9:47 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-14 9:59 ` Lars Kurth
2013-06-14 10:45 ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-14 11:19 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-14 11:30 ` Gordan Bobic
2013-06-14 12:10 ` Sander Eikelenboom
2013-06-14 10:44 ` George Dunlap
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-06-14 11:46 Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 12:26 ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-14 12:45 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-14 18:55 Alex Bligh
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