From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: Matt Wilson <msw@amazon.com>
Cc: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [Hackathon minutes] PV block improvements
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:12:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51CC5665.3070904@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130621180721.GA32653@u109add4315675089e695.ant.amazon.com>
On 21/06/13 20:07, Matt Wilson wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 07:10:59PM +0200, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> While working on further block improvements I've found an issue with
>> persistent grants in blkfront.
>>
>> Persistent grants basically allocate grants and then they are never
>> released, so both blkfront and blkback keep using the same memory pages
>> for all the transactions.
>>
>> This is not a problem in blkback, because we can dynamically choose how
>> many grants we want to map. On the other hand, blkfront cannot remove
>> the access to those grants at any point, because blkfront doesn't know
>> if blkback has this grants mapped persistently or not.
>>
>> So if for example we start expanding the number of segments in indirect
>> requests, to a value like 512 segments per requests, blkfront will
>> probably try to persistently map 512*32+512 = 16896 grants per device,
>> that's much more grants that the current default, which is 32*256 = 8192
>> (if using grant tables v2). This can cause serious problems to other
>> interfaces inside the DomU, since blkfront basically starts hoarding all
>> possible grants, leaving other interfaces completely locked.
>
> Yikes.
>
>> I've been thinking about different ways to solve this, but so far I
>> haven't been able to found a nice solution:
>>
>> 1. Limit the number of persistent grants a blkfront instance can use,
>> let's say that only the first X used grants will be persistently mapped
>> by both blkfront and blkback, and if more grants are needed the previous
>> map/unmap will be used.
>
> I'm not thrilled with this option. It would likely introduce some
> significant performance variability, wouldn't it?
>
>> 2. Switch to grant copy in blkback, and get rid of persistent grants (I
>> have not benchmarked this solution, but I'm quite sure it will involve a
>> performance regression, specially when scaling to a high number of domains).
>
> Why do you think so?
I've hacked a prototype blkback using grant_copy instead of persistent
grants, and removed the persistent grants support in blkfront and indeed
the performance of grant_copy is lower than persistent grants, and it
seems to scale much worse. I've run several fio read/write benchmarks,
using 512 segments per request on a ramdisk, and the output is the
following:
http://xenbits.xen.org/people/royger/grant_copy/
Roger.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-27 15:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-24 15:06 [Hackathon minutes] PV block improvements Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-21 17:10 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-21 18:07 ` Matt Wilson
2013-06-22 7:11 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-25 6:09 ` Matt Wilson
2013-06-25 13:01 ` Wei Liu
2013-06-25 15:39 ` Matt Wilson
2013-06-25 15:53 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-25 18:04 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-06-26 9:37 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-26 11:37 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-27 13:58 ` George Dunlap
2013-06-27 14:21 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-27 15:20 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-25 15:57 ` Ian Campbell
2013-06-25 16:05 ` Jan Beulich
2013-06-25 16:30 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-27 15:12 ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2013-06-27 15:26 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-06-21 20:16 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-06-21 23:17 ` Wei Liu
2013-06-24 11:06 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-02 11:49 ` Roger Pau Monné
2013-06-22 7:17 ` Roger Pau Monné
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