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From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xen.org" <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: Automatically making a PCI device assignable in the config file
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:45:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DD739D.9090206@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20957.26581.15772.550615@mariner.uk.xensource.com>

On 10/07/13 14:55, Ian Jackson wrote:
> George Dunlap writes ("Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: Automatically making a PCI device assignable in the config file"):
>> Auto-seizing is fairly dangerous; you could easily accidentally yank out
>> the ethernet card, or even the disk that dom0 is using.  I really think
>> it should have to be enabled on a device-by-device basis.
> I don't think this makes any sense.
>
> In practice you are saying that in order to avoid mistakes, the local
> admin must provide the BDF of the device to be passed through in two
> separate places.

That's not what I had in mind; what I had in mind was something like this:

pci = [ '08:04.1,seize=1' ]

Or alternately:

xl pci-attach h0 08:04.1,seize=1

One could also imagine having something in xl.conf like the following:

pci.autoseize = [ '08:04.1','01:00.0' ]

In this case you wouldn't be simply copy and pasting, because you'd 
probably have different domains handling each device.  But in any case, 
this was just exploring the alternatives -- I don't think that's the 
best thing to do.

> But that doesn't actually help.  If this is all properly documented
> and so forth (ie, if the admin has a smooth experience and doesn't
> trip over having dailed to "seize" the device), they will just
> cut-and-paste the same value into both places in the config.
>
> They will also mutter under their breath to ask why this is
> necessary...

If someone can accidentally type "xl pci-attach 08:04.0" instead of "xl 
pci-attach 08.04.1" and suddenly completely lose their network 
connectivity (or yank their hard drive out), then I think they'll 
appreciate it.

In any case, at the moment it's much worse: you have to either 
scriptwise run "xl pci-assignable-add" a device, or add an exclusion on 
the Linux commandline in grub.  So far I'm the only person I know who 
has complained about it. :-)

  -George

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-10 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-05 11:01 RFC: Automatically making a PCI device assignable in the config file George Dunlap
2013-07-05 13:39 ` Andrew Cooper
2013-07-05 13:45   ` George Dunlap
2013-07-05 13:48     ` Andrew Cooper
2013-07-05 13:52       ` George Dunlap
2013-07-08 19:23         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-09 12:52           ` George Dunlap
2013-07-09 14:25             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-09 16:38               ` George Dunlap
2013-07-10 13:45                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-10 13:49               ` Stefano Stabellini
2013-07-10 13:55     ` Ian Jackson
2013-07-10 14:45       ` George Dunlap [this message]
2013-07-10 15:12         ` Gordan Bobic
2013-07-10 15:29           ` George Dunlap
2013-07-10 15:37             ` Gordan Bobic
2013-07-10 13:53 ` Ian Jackson
2013-07-10 14:48   ` George Dunlap
2013-07-11 11:35     ` David Vrabel
2013-07-12  9:36       ` George Dunlap
2013-07-12  9:55         ` David Vrabel
2013-07-12 10:32           ` George Dunlap
2013-07-12 13:10         ` Ian Jackson
2013-07-12 13:48           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-12 14:43             ` Ian Jackson
2013-07-12 15:01               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-12 15:09                 ` George Dunlap
2013-07-12 16:02                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-07-12 16:08                     ` George Dunlap
2013-07-12 14:44             ` Sander Eikelenboom

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