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From: George Dunlap <george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>
Cc: MarcusGranado <Marcus.Granado@eu.citrix.com>,
	Justin Weaver <jtweaver@hawaii.edu>,
	IanCampbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Li Yechen <lccycc123@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <Andrew.Cooper3@citrix.com>,
	JuergenGross <juergen.gross@ts.fujitsu.com>,
	Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Daniel De Graaf <dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	KeirFraser <keir@xen.org>, Matt Wilson <msw@amazon.com>,
	Elena Ufimtseva <ufimtseva@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND 05/12] xen: numa-sched: make space for per-vcpu node-affinity
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:56:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <527A5890.90709@eu.citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1383747963.9207.134.camel@Solace>

On 06/11/13 14:26, Dario Faggioli wrote:
> On mer, 2013-11-06 at 11:44 +0000, George Dunlap wrote:
>> On 06/11/13 10:00, Dario Faggioli wrote:
>>> I see, and that sounds sensible to me... It's mostly a matter a matter
>>> of deciding whether o not we want something like that, and, if yes,
>>> whether we want it based on hard of soft.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think I agree with you on having it based on hard
>>> affinities by default.
>>>
>>> Let's see if George get to say something before I get to that part of
>>> the (re)implementation. :-)
>> I would probably have it based on soft affinities, since that's where we
>> expect to have the domain's vcpus actually running most if the time;
>>
> True. However, doing that would rule out cpupool and vcpu-pinning.

I guess I was assuming that a vcpu's soft affinity would always be 
considered a subset of its hard affinity and the cpus in its cpupool.

>> I think for now I might advise putting off doing a NUMA interface at the
>> libxl level, and do a full vNUMA interface in another series (perhaps
>> for 4.5, depending on the timing).
>>
> Well, I agree that all this is of very little use without vNUMA, but at
> the same time, it's not necessarily only useful for it. Also, whatever
> it is vcpu-node-affinity or soft-affinity, if it is not wired up
> properly up to the higher layers, there's very few point of having the
> HV part only... So my idea was to redo and resend everything, including
> libxl and xl bits.
>
> Of course, that doesn't mean we must necessarily have this for 4.4
> (although I think it would still be feasible), just that we either
> check-in or wait for both the implementation and the interface. Again,
> how's the updated release schedule?

Well we definitely should plumb through access to the soft affinity 
directly through libxl.  The question is whether it would be useful to 
have a libxl per-vcpu *numa* affinity that is not yet a full vNUMA 
implementation.  If long-term we want to have vcpu -> vnode, and then 
vnode->pnode, the having a direct vcpu->pnode interface in the interim 
is probably not particularly useful, I don't think.

Re the release schedule: we agreed to move the code freeze to November 
18, so we've got just under two weeks.  I think keeping the libxl side 
simple will allow us to at least get the "soft affinity" stuff in for 
4.4, whether the vNUMA stuff makes it or not.

  -George

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-06 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-05 14:33 [PATCH RESEND 00/12] Implement per-vcpu NUMA node-affinity for credit1 Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:34 ` [PATCH RESEND 01/12] xen: numa-sched: leave node-affinity alone if not in "auto" mode Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:43   ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 14:34 ` [PATCH RESEND 02/12] xl: allow for node-wise specification of vcpu pinning Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:50   ` George Dunlap
2013-11-06  8:48     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-07 18:17   ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-08  9:24     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-08 15:20       ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-05 14:34 ` [PATCH RESEND 03/12] xl: implement and enable dryrun mode for `xl vcpu-pin' Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:34 ` [PATCH RESEND 04/12] xl: test script for the cpumap parser (for vCPU pinning) Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 05/12] xen: numa-sched: make space for per-vcpu node-affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:52   ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-05 15:03     ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 15:11       ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-05 15:24         ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 22:15         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 15:11       ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 15:23         ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-05 15:39           ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 16:56             ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 17:16               ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 17:30                 ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-05 23:12                   ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 23:01                 ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06  9:39                 ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06  9:46                   ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-06 10:00                     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 11:44                       ` George Dunlap
2013-11-06 14:26                         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 14:56                           ` George Dunlap [this message]
2013-11-06 15:14                             ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-06 16:12                               ` George Dunlap
2013-11-06 16:22                                 ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-06 16:48                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 16:20                               ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 16:23                             ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 17:24               ` Jan Beulich
2013-11-05 17:31                 ` George Dunlap
2013-11-05 23:08               ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 22:54             ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 22:22         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 11:41         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-06 14:47           ` George Dunlap
2013-11-06 16:53             ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 06/12] xen: numa-sched: domain node-affinity always comes from vcpu node-affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 07/12] xen: numa-sched: use per-vcpu node-affinity for actual scheduling Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 16:20   ` George Dunlap
2013-11-06  9:15     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 08/12] xen: numa-sched: enable getting/specifying per-vcpu node-affinity Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 09/12] libxc: " Dario Faggioli
2013-11-07 18:27   ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-12 16:01   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-11-12 16:43     ` George Dunlap
2013-11-12 16:55       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-11-12 18:40     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-12 19:13       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2013-11-12 21:36         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-13 10:57         ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-05 14:35 ` [PATCH RESEND 10/12] libxl: " Dario Faggioli
2013-11-07 18:29   ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-08  9:18     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-08 15:07       ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-05 14:36 ` [PATCH RESEND 11/12] xl: " Dario Faggioli
2013-11-07 18:33   ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-08  9:33     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-08 15:18       ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-05 14:36 ` [PATCH RESEND 12/12] xl: numa-sched: enable specifying node-affinity in VM config file Dario Faggioli
2013-11-07 18:35   ` Ian Jackson
2013-11-08  9:49     ` Dario Faggioli
2013-11-08 15:22       ` Ian Jackson

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