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From: Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>
To: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/12] libxl: fork: SIGCHLD flexibility
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:39:28 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52E5F110.1020907@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1390567954.2124.85.camel@kazak.uk.xensource.com>

Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 12:41 +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
>
>   
>>  Thread A                                             Thread B
>>
>>    invoke some libxl operation
>> X    do some libxl stuff
>> X    register timeout (libxl)
>> XV     record timeout info
>> X    do some more libxl stuff
>>      ...
>> X    do some more libxl stuff
>> X    deregister timeout (libxl internal)
>> X     converted to request immediate timeout
>> XV     record new timeout info
>> X      release libvirt event loop lock
>>                                             entering libvirt event loop
>>                                        V     observe timeout is immediate
>>     
>
> Is there nothing in this interval which deregisters, pauses, quiesces or
> otherwise prevents the timer from going off again until after the
> callback (when the lock would be reacquired and whatever was done is
> undone)?
>   

The libvirt libxl driver will disable the timeout in libvirt's event
loop before calling libxl_osevent_occurred_timeout.  But AFAICT, and as
Ian J. describes, another thread running the event loop could invoke the
timeout before it is disabled.  I think this could be handled in the
libxl driver as described in my response to his mail.

> (V is the libvirt event loop lock I presume?)
>
>   
>>                                        V      need to do callback
>>                                                call libxl driver
>>
>>       entering libvirt event loop
>>  V     observe timeout is immediate
>>     
>
> Given the behaviour I suggest above this would be prevented I think?
>
>   
>> But if you think about it, if you have 10 threads all running the
>> event loop and you set a timeout to zero, doesn't that mean that every
>> thread's event loop should do the timeout callback as fast as it can ?
>> That could be a lot of wasted effort.
>>     
>
> It doesn't seem all that likely triggering the same timeout multiple
> times in different threads simultaneously would be a deliberate design
> decision, so if the libvirt event core doesn't already prevent this
> somehow then it seems to me that this is just a bug in the event loop
> core.
>   

If I understand the code correctly, it does seem possible to trigger the
same timeout multiple times.

> In that case should be addressed in libvirt, and in any case the libvirt
> core folks should be involved in the discussion, so they have the
> opportunity to tell us how best, if at all, we can use the provided
> facilities and/or whether these issues are deliberate of things which
> should be fixed etc.
>   

Agreed.  I'll mention the issue and this discussion on the libvirt IRC
channel tomorrow.

Regards,
Jim

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-27  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-17 16:23 [PATCH 00/12] libxl: fork: SIGCHLD flexibility Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 01/12] libxl: fork: Break out checked_waitpid Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 02/12] libxl: fork: Break out childproc_reaped_ours Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 03/12] libxl: fork: Clarify docs for libxl_sigchld_owner Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 04/12] libxl: fork: Document libxl_sigchld_owner_libxl better Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:28   ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 05/12] libxl: fork: assert that chldmode is right Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:23 ` [PATCH 06/12] libxl: fork: Provide libxl_childproc_sigchld_occurred Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 07/12] libxl: fork: Provide ..._always_selective_reap Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 22:17   ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 08/12] libxl: fork: Provide LIBXL_HAVE_SIGCHLD_SELECTIVE_REAP Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 09/12] libxl: fork: Rename sigchld handler functions Ian Jackson
2014-01-20  9:59   ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 10/12] libxl: fork: Break out sigchld_installhandler_core Ian Jackson
2014-01-20  9:59   ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 11/12] libxl: fork: Break out sigchld_sethandler_raw Ian Jackson
2014-01-20  9:58   ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-20 17:57     ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:24 ` [PATCH 12/12] libxl: fork: Share SIGCHLD handler amongst ctxs Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 18:13   ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-20  9:56     ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-21 14:40       ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 14:53         ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-21 15:09           ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 16:37 ` [PATCH 00/12] libxl: fork: SIGCHLD flexibility Ian Jackson
2014-01-17 22:29 ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-20 18:14   ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-21 14:46     ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 15:11       ` [PATCH 13/12] libxl: events: Break out libxl__pipe_nonblock, _close Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 15:11         ` [PATCH 14/12] libxl: fork: Make SIGCHLD self-pipe nonblocking Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 15:32           ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-21 15:48             ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 15:27         ` [PATCH 13/12] libxl: events: Break out libxl__pipe_nonblock, _close Ian Campbell
2014-01-21 15:31           ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-21 15:28     ` [PATCH 00/12] libxl: fork: SIGCHLD flexibility Ian Jackson
2014-01-22  5:32       ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-23  4:05         ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-23 10:56           ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-23 21:36             ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-24  4:27             ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-24 12:41               ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-24 12:52                 ` Ian Campbell
2014-01-24 15:14                   ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-24 15:18                     ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-24 16:36                     ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-24 16:57                       ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-27  5:39                   ` Jim Fehlig [this message]
2014-01-27  5:22                 ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-27 14:48                   ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-28  1:39                 ` [libvirt] [Xen-devel] " Jim Fehlig
2014-01-28 10:06                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2014-01-29 16:23                     ` [libvirt] " Ian Jackson
2014-01-30 12:18                   ` [libvirt] [Xen-devel] " Daniel P. Berrange
2014-01-30 16:14                     ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-30 16:17                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2014-01-30 16:28                   ` Ian Jackson
2014-01-30 16:56                     ` Jim Fehlig
2014-01-30 17:12                       ` [libvirt] [Xen-devel] " Ian Jackson

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