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From: Zoltan Kiss <zoltan.kiss@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Zoltan Kiss <zoltan.kiss@schaman.hu>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Cc: Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
	Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	freebsd-xen@freebsd.org, Alan Somers <alans@spectralogic.com>,
	Paul Durrant <Paul.Durrant@citrix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	roger.pau@citrix.com, Manuel Bouyer <bouyer@NetBSD.org>,
	John Suykerbuyk <johns@spectralogic.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] xen/public/ring.h: simplify RING_HAS_UNCONSUMED_REQUESTS()
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 12:23:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <533023C5.8070704@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <532FEF1602000078000012A1@nat28.tlf.novell.com>

On 24/03/14 07:38, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 22.03.14 at 18:14, <tim@xen.org> wrote:
>> At 14:18 +0000 on 22 Mar (1395494283), Zoltan Kiss wrote:
>>> I think I might have an explanation why do we need this, see this mailing:
>>>
>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/20/710
>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/21/111
>>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/21/390
>>
>> Quoting from the third of these:
>>
>> | But consuming overrunning requests after rsp_prod_pvt is a problem:
>> | - NAPI instance races with dealloc thread over the slots. The first
>> | reads them as requests, the second writes them as responses
>> | - the NAPI instance overwrites used pending slots as well, so skb frag
>> | release go wrong etc.
>>
>> OK, so the backend needs to be careful not to follow the frontend into
>> overrun, not because of the ring itself being corrupted but because it
>> will mess up the backend's internal bookkeeping.
>
> With s/will/may/ I'm not sure that's a reason to withdraw the patch:
> The generic macros in ring.h imo shouldn't dictate any particular
> protection policy beyond protecting the ring itself. I.e. I'd think if
> netback need protection beyond the one provided by ring.h macros,
> it should take care to implement them itself.

It's not "may", it is a "will". In case of Linux netback for sure, but I 
think it's reasonable for any backend to rely on the fact that the ring 
macros protect them from abusive frontends. Protecting a backend to read 
requests from the [rsp_prod_pvt, req_cons] range is a sensible thing to 
do in the ring macros.
Also, RING_FINAL_CHECK_FOR_REQUESTS relies on this macro, removing this 
protection may cause other issues, e.g. netback keeps the NAPI instance 
spinning while it's not consuming any requests.

Zoli

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-24 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-06 15:47 RING_HAS_UNCONSUMED_REQUESTS oddness Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-06 15:53 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-06 16:31   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-06 17:30     ` Tim Deegan
2014-03-06 21:39       ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-07  9:23         ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-07 17:43           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-07 12:02         ` Wei Liu
2014-03-07 18:58           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-11 15:55         ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-11 23:34           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-13 16:38       ` [PATCH RFC] xen/public/ring.h: simplify RING_HAS_UNCONSUMED_REQUESTS() Tim Deegan
2014-03-22 14:18         ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-22 17:14           ` Tim Deegan
2014-03-24  7:38             ` Jan Beulich
2014-03-24  9:39               ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-24  9:59                 ` Jan Beulich
2014-03-24 11:03                   ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-24 12:23               ` Zoltan Kiss [this message]
2014-03-24 13:52                 ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-24 23:55                   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-04-03  9:38         ` Tim Deegan
2014-04-03 15:34           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-11 15:44 ` RING_HAS_UNCONSUMED_REQUESTS oddness Ian Campbell
2014-03-11 23:24   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 10:28     ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-12 10:48       ` Roger Pau Monné
2014-03-12 11:25       ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 11:38       ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 14:41         ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 15:23           ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 15:42             ` Wei Liu
2014-03-12 15:56               ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 16:02               ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 16:13               ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 16:42                 ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-12 19:06                   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-13  9:26                     ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-13 10:02                       ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-13 10:58                         ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-13 12:19                           ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-13 12:28                             ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-13 12:29                               ` Paul Durrant
2014-03-13 12:44                               ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-12 14:25       ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 14:27       ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 14:30         ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-12 15:14           ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 15:37             ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-12 17:14               ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-12 17:43                 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-12 21:10                   ` Zoltan Kiss
2014-03-13 10:04                     ` Ian Campbell

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