From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
"Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)" <aravindp@cisco.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
KeirFraser <keir@xen.org>,
Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] x86/mm: Shadow and p2m changes for PV mem_access
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 11:14:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53F717F7.1090208@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53F7314A020000780002C9F8@mail.emea.novell.com>
On 22/08/14 11:02, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 22.08.14 at 11:34, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 22/08/14 03:29, Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp) wrote:
>>>>> No, at least not about unspecified hypothetical ones. But again - a
>>>>> vague statement like you gave, without any kind of quantification of
>>>>> the imposed overhead, isn't going to be good enough a judgment.
>>>>> After all pausing a domain can be quite problematic for its performance
>>>>> if that happens reasonably frequently. Otoh I admit that the user of
>>>>> your new mechanism has a certain level of control over the impact via
>>>>> the number of pages (s)he wants to write-protect. So yes, perhaps it
>>>>> isn't going to be too bad as long as the hackery you need to do isn't.
>>>> I just wanted to give an update as to where I stand so as to not leave this
>>>> thread hanging. As I was working through pausing and unpausing the domain
>>>> during Xen writes to guest memory, I found a spot where the write happens
>>>> outside of __copy_to_user_ll() and __put_user_size(). It occurs in
>>>> create_bounce_frame() where Xen writes to the guest stack to setup an
>>>> exception frame. At that moment, if the guest stack is marked read-only, we
>>>> end up in the same situation as with the copy to guest functions but with no
>>>> obvious place to revert the page table entry back to read-only. I am at the
>>>> moment looking for a spot where I can do this.
>>> I have a solution for the create_bounc_frame() issue I described above.
>> Please find below a POC patch that includes pausing and unpausing the domain
>> during the Xen writes to guest memory. I have it on top of the patch that was
>> using CR0.WP to highlight the difference. Please take a look and let me know
>> if this solution is acceptable.
>>> PS: I do realize whatever I do to create_bounce_frame() will have to be
>> reflected in the compat version. If this is correct approach I will do the
>> same there too.
>>
>> What is wrong with just making use of CR0.WP to solve this issue?
> The problem is that the period of time during with that flag would
> remain clear isn't well bounded (due to the potential of interrupts
> kicking intermediately).
Very true - I retract the suggestion.
>
>> Alternatively, locate the page in question and use map_domain_page() to
>> get a supervisor rw mapping.
> Certainly not nice especially in the create_bounce_frame() case
> (albeit I think a callout is being used anyway according to what
> Aravindh said - I didn't look at the proposed changes in detail
> yet), and the necessarily involved manual page table walk likely
> wouldn't be nice either.
Hmm - that isn't nice.
On further considerations, neither this or the suggested patch deal with
create_bounce_frame() crossing a page boundary and encountering a
different mfn which is also read-only.
~Andrew
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-08-22 10:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-08 2:50 [PATCH RFC v2 0/4] Add mem_access support for PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08 2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/4] x86/mm: Shadow and p2m changes for PV mem_access Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-24 14:29 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-24 23:34 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-25 7:19 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-25 21:39 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-28 6:49 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-28 21:14 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-30 4:05 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-30 7:11 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-30 18:35 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-01 6:39 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-01 18:08 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-04 7:03 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-05 0:14 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-05 6:33 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-13 22:14 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 2:29 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 9:34 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 10:02 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-22 10:14 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2014-08-22 18:28 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 18:52 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 12:45 ` Gianluca Guida
2014-08-25 13:01 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 13:02 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 13:59 ` Gianluca Guida
2014-08-22 15:33 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-22 19:07 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 19:24 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 19:48 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-22 20:02 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-22 20:13 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-25 7:34 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 7:33 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 12:49 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-25 13:09 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 16:56 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-26 7:08 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-26 22:27 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-26 23:30 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-28 9:34 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:33 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-27 6:33 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-27 7:49 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-27 17:29 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-25 17:44 ` Andrew Cooper
2014-08-26 7:12 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 7:29 ` Jan Beulich
2014-08-25 16:40 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 9:14 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:31 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 19:00 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 19:23 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 20:37 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 21:35 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 22:20 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-29 9:52 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-29 17:52 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-29 19:03 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-01 10:38 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-02 21:57 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-03 8:31 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-03 18:50 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-04 6:39 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-04 18:24 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-05 8:11 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-05 22:49 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
[not found] ` <20140904083906.GA86555@deinos.phlegethon.org>
[not found] ` <540849430200007800030C47@mail.emea.novell.com>
2014-09-11 19:40 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-09-12 7:21 ` Jan Beulich
2014-09-12 18:01 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-08-28 9:09 ` Tim Deegan
2014-08-28 18:23 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-08 2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/4] x86/mem_access: mem_access and mem_event changes to support PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-24 14:38 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-24 23:52 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-25 7:23 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-25 21:47 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-28 6:56 ` Jan Beulich
2014-07-28 21:16 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-08 2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/4] tools/libxc: Add APIs for PV mem_access Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08 2:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/4] tool/xen-access: Add support for PV domains Aravindh Puthiyaparambil
2014-07-08 16:27 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/4] Add mem_access " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-07-08 17:57 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
2014-07-09 0:31 ` Aravindh Puthiyaparambil (aravindp)
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