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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>, roger.pau@citrix.com
Cc: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 24/29] xen/x86: allow HVM guests to use hypercalls to bring up vCPUs
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:25:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <560A6714.7060303@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <560A7EFA02000078000A6846@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 29/09/15 11:07, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 29.09.15 at 12:00, <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On 29/09/15 08:09, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> +    uint32_t cs_base;
>>>>>> +    uint32_t ds_base;
>>>>>> +    uint32_t ss_base;
>>>>> I continue to question why we have DS here, but not ES (and maybe
>>>>> FS and GS too). I.e. either just CS and SS (which are architecturally
>>>>> required) or at least all four traditional x86 segment registers. And
>>>>> you're also clearly not targeting minimal state, or else there likely
>>>>> wouldn't be a need for e.g. R8-R15 in the 64-bit variant.
>>>> I'm fine with removing r8-15. Regarding the segment selectors, I don't
>>>> have a problem with only allowing CS and SS to be set, or all of them
>>>> including FS and GS. But I would like to get a consensus on this, we
>>>> have already gone back and forth several times regarding how this
>>>> structure should look like, and TBH, I was hoping that this was the last
>>>> time.
>>> Was there back and forth? I only recall always having asked for
>>> consistency here, just like spelled out above.
>>>
>>>> Andrew, Jan, what would you prefer, either DS is removed or ES, FS and
>>>> GS are also added?
>>> I voiced my opinion. Andrew?
>> DS clearly needs initialising to provide a sane environment in the newly
>> running vcpu.  Expecting %cs or %ss overrides until a new GDT is loaded
>> is unreasonable IMO.
> I don't view this as unreasonable: You want to load a GDT first thing
> anyway.

True.  The main question is whether the GDT will be at a fixed linear
address.  I expect this to be the case in any non-contrived situation.

> And I see nothing wrong with that one instruction carrying
> an override (and even then only on 32-bit, as a nul DS is fine on
> 64-bit).

Ah yes.

>
>> Therefore, we are back to the question of whether to provide all segment
>> registers, or specify a flat layout without specific selector values.  I
>> would prefer the former to the latter.
> If we don't go the CS+SS only route, then yes, I'd too prefer
> completing the set (I would probably agree with not adding FS
> and GS, and even recommend against it in the 64-bit variant,
> but I do insist on ES in that case).

I would still err on the CS/SS/DS/ES side given a straight choice.  It
offers more flexibility for rarer usecases.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-29 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-04 12:08 [PATCH v6 00/29] Introduce HVM without dm and new boot ABI Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 01/29] libxc: split x86 HVM setup_guest into smaller logical functions Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 02/29] libxc: unify xc_dom_p2m_{host/guest} Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 03/29] libxc: introduce the notion of a container type Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 04/29] libxc: introduce a domain loader for HVM guest firmware Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 05/29] libxc: make arch_setup_meminit a xc_dom_arch hook Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 06/29] libxc: make arch_setup_boot{init/late} xc_dom_arch hooks Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 07/29] libxc: rework BSP initialization Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 08/29] libxc: introduce a xc_dom_arch for hvm-3.0-x86_32 guests Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-18 15:53   ` Anthony PERARD
2015-09-23 10:32     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 09/29] libxl: switch HVM domain building to use xc_dom_* helpers Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-18 15:53   ` Anthony PERARD
2015-09-23 10:38     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 10/29] libxc: remove dead HVM building code Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 11/29] xen/x86: add bitmap of enabled emulated devices Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:25   ` Wei Liu
2015-09-04 13:51     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 13:55       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-04 22:41         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-23 11:43         ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 13:56       ` Wei Liu
2015-09-09 14:27   ` Wei Liu
2015-09-16  9:50   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-23 12:35     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-23 13:24       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-23 15:02         ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-16 10:10   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-23 12:42     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-23 12:46       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 12/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated local apic Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-16 10:05   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-23 15:45     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-24  7:57       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-25  9:00         ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 13/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated HPET Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 14/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the pmtimer Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 15/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated RTC Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 16/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated IO APIC Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 17/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated PIC Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-21 14:34   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-25 15:01     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 18/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated pmu Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-21 14:36   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-21 14:48     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-09-25 15:07       ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-25 15:13         ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-25 15:22           ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-25 15:41             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 19/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated VGA Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:08 ` [PATCH v6 20/29] xen/x86: allow disabling the emulated IOMMU Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-28 13:58   ` Aravind Gopalakrishnan
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 21/29] xen/x86: allow disabling all emulated devices inside of Xen Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 22/29] elfnotes: intorduce a new PHYS_ENTRY elfnote Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-21 14:47   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 10:35     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-28 10:56       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 10:59         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 23/29] libxc: allow creating domains without emulated devices Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 24/29] xen/x86: allow HVM guests to use hypercalls to bring up vCPUs Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-21 15:44   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-25 15:16     ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-25 15:52       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 16:09     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-29  7:09       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29  8:53         ` Tim Deegan
2015-09-29 10:00         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 10:07           ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29 10:25             ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2015-09-29 10:33               ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29 10:37                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 10:48                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29 14:01                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-29 15:29                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29 16:01                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-29 16:20                           ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-29 16:49                             ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-29 16:58                               ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-30 10:03                               ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-30 11:37                                 ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-30 11:49                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-30 11:54                                   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-30 12:19                                     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-30 12:35                                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-30 12:50                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-30 15:33                                           ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-30 14:23                                         ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-30 15:41                                           ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 25/29] xenconsole: try to attach to PV console if HVM fails Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 26/29] libxc/xen: introduce a start info structure for HVMlite guests Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-10 16:00   ` Wei Liu
2015-09-21 15:53   ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 16:51     ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 27/29] libxc: switch xc_dom_elfloader to be used with HVMlite domains Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 28/29] libxl: allow the creation of HVM domains without a device model Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-04 12:09 ` [PATCH v6 29/29] libxl: add support for migrating HVM guests " Roger Pau Monne
2015-09-10 16:00   ` Wei Liu
2015-09-10 16:30   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-11 13:04 ` [PATCH v6 00/29] Introduce HVM without dm and new boot ABI Ian Campbell

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