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From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
	Jonathan Creekmore <jonathan.creekmore@gmail.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Cc: Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	Doug Goldstein <cardoe@cardoe.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5673E91C.2090102@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1450435531.4053.196.camel@citrix.com>

On 18/12/15 11:45, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 14:59 -0600, Jonathan Creekmore wrote:
>> Add machinery to allow the schedulers to be individually selectable
>> through the Kconfig interface.
> 
> So I don't want to pick on this series or schedulers specifically here, but
> instead discuss the general premise of configurability of hypervisor
> binaries, and this happens to be the first. I'm CCing Doug and "THE REST"
> from MAINTAINERS
> 
> Currently (even with the current switch to Kconfig thus far) we have a
> fairly small and manageable set of configurations which any given Xen
> binary can be in and in terms of what users are actually running an even
> smaller set I believe, most users fiddle with zero options and a small
> number with one or two. I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of Xen
> binaries are using a single config today and that the second place is a
> fairly distant second.
> 
> This means we have avoided the combinatorial explosion of configuration
> options which Linux suffers from (which result in things like randconfig
> build robots because no one can keep track of it all).
> 
> Just to be clear: I'm not at all opposed to more configurability for expert
> users who have specific usecases, know what they are doing and are willing
> to take responsibility for developments deviating form the norm.
> 
> However I am very wary of putting shiny looking nobs in front of the
> average user, since they will find them and they will inevitably play with
> them and we will end up in the situation where every bug report involves an
> additional RTT while we ask for their .config (ok, in reality we'd often
> ask at the same time we inevitably have to ask for logs and other key info,
> so I guess I'm exaggerating, but still its a worry I think).
> 
> As well as support there is obviously a testing matrix impact.
> 
> How would people feel about a CONFIG_STANDARD_FEATURESET[0] with the
> majority of tweakables depending on !STANDARD_FEATURESET? It would default
> Y with a help text which dissuades normal users from touching it ("Say Y,
> unless you are willing to pick up the pieces yourself. We do not routinely
> test or validate configurations without this option set. We expect you to
> offer to fix issues which you find. Beware of the leopard.").[1]

What I'd really like to see in the config options are things like:

CONFIG_BIGMEM (instead of doing it via environment variable),
NR_CPUS, and possibly some other numerical bounds which won't select
a feature, but might be interesting to change for huge servers.


Juergen

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-17 20:59 [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] build: Hook the schedulers into Kconfig Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18  1:35   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18  2:20     ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18  9:19       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 10:52     ` George Dunlap
2015-12-18 11:23       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18  8:57   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:43     ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] build: Alloc space for sched list in the link file Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18  9:01   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:40     ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 16:48       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 17:07         ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 17:10           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 17:11           ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 17:23             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Register the schedulers into the list Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18  1:42   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18  9:03   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Use the auto-generated list of schedulers Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18  1:47   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18  9:12   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:44     ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 10:50   ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 16:00     ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 16:43       ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 17:24         ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 17:30           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 10:39 ` [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 10:45 ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 10:58   ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 11:08   ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2015-12-18 11:19     ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 11:30     ` Jan Beulich
     [not found]     ` <5673FC6202000078000C122B@suse.com>
2015-12-18 11:41       ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 17:56   ` Doug Goldstein
2015-12-18 18:25     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-06 14:45     ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 14:01       ` Jonathan Creekmore
2016-01-07 14:37         ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:00           ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:18             ` Doug Goldstein
2016-01-07 15:31               ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:43               ` Jonathan Creekmore
2016-01-07 15:54                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:47               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:30             ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:51               ` Jan Beulich

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