From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
Jonathan Creekmore <jonathan.creekmore@gmail.com>,
xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Cc: Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
Doug Goldstein <cardoe@cardoe.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:08:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5673E91C.2090102@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1450435531.4053.196.camel@citrix.com>
On 18/12/15 11:45, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-12-17 at 14:59 -0600, Jonathan Creekmore wrote:
>> Add machinery to allow the schedulers to be individually selectable
>> through the Kconfig interface.
>
> So I don't want to pick on this series or schedulers specifically here, but
> instead discuss the general premise of configurability of hypervisor
> binaries, and this happens to be the first. I'm CCing Doug and "THE REST"
> from MAINTAINERS
>
> Currently (even with the current switch to Kconfig thus far) we have a
> fairly small and manageable set of configurations which any given Xen
> binary can be in and in terms of what users are actually running an even
> smaller set I believe, most users fiddle with zero options and a small
> number with one or two. I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of Xen
> binaries are using a single config today and that the second place is a
> fairly distant second.
>
> This means we have avoided the combinatorial explosion of configuration
> options which Linux suffers from (which result in things like randconfig
> build robots because no one can keep track of it all).
>
> Just to be clear: I'm not at all opposed to more configurability for expert
> users who have specific usecases, know what they are doing and are willing
> to take responsibility for developments deviating form the norm.
>
> However I am very wary of putting shiny looking nobs in front of the
> average user, since they will find them and they will inevitably play with
> them and we will end up in the situation where every bug report involves an
> additional RTT while we ask for their .config (ok, in reality we'd often
> ask at the same time we inevitably have to ask for logs and other key info,
> so I guess I'm exaggerating, but still its a worry I think).
>
> As well as support there is obviously a testing matrix impact.
>
> How would people feel about a CONFIG_STANDARD_FEATURESET[0] with the
> majority of tweakables depending on !STANDARD_FEATURESET? It would default
> Y with a help text which dissuades normal users from touching it ("Say Y,
> unless you are willing to pick up the pieces yourself. We do not routinely
> test or validate configurations without this option set. We expect you to
> offer to fix issues which you find. Beware of the leopard.").[1]
What I'd really like to see in the config options are things like:
CONFIG_BIGMEM (instead of doing it via environment variable),
NR_CPUS, and possibly some other numerical bounds which won't select
a feature, but might be interesting to change for huge servers.
Juergen
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-18 11:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-17 20:59 [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 1/4] build: Hook the schedulers into Kconfig Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 1:35 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 2:20 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 9:19 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 10:52 ` George Dunlap
2015-12-18 11:23 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 8:57 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:43 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 2/4] build: Alloc space for sched list in the link file Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 9:01 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:40 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 16:48 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 17:07 ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 17:10 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 17:11 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 17:23 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched: Register the schedulers into the list Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 1:42 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 9:03 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-17 20:59 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched: Use the auto-generated list of schedulers Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 1:47 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-12-18 9:12 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 16:44 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 10:50 ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 16:00 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 16:43 ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 17:24 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2015-12-18 17:30 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-18 10:39 ` [PATCH 0/4] Allow schedulers to be selectable through Kconfig Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 10:45 ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 10:58 ` Jan Beulich
2015-12-18 11:08 ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2015-12-18 11:19 ` Ian Campbell
2015-12-18 11:30 ` Jan Beulich
[not found] ` <5673FC6202000078000C122B@suse.com>
2015-12-18 11:41 ` Juergen Gross
2015-12-18 17:56 ` Doug Goldstein
2015-12-18 18:25 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-06 14:45 ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 14:01 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2016-01-07 14:37 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:00 ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:18 ` Doug Goldstein
2016-01-07 15:31 ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:43 ` Jonathan Creekmore
2016-01-07 15:54 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:47 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-07 15:30 ` Ian Campbell
2016-01-07 15:51 ` Jan Beulich
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