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From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] x86/PV: remove the emulated PIT
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:03:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5697AA98.5050305@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5697A4BA02000078000C6B78@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

El 14/01/16 a les 13.38, Jan Beulich ha escrit:
>>>> On 14.01.16 at 11:59, <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
>> El 14/01/16 a les 10.11, Jan Beulich ha escrit:
>>>>>> On 14.01.16 at 09:25, <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> El 13/01/16 a les 17.36, Jan Beulich ha escrit:
>>>>>>>> On 13.01.16 at 13:32, <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The HVMlite series removed the initialization of the emulated PIT for PV
>>>>>> guests, but the handler was still reachable, which means a PV guests can
>>>>>> crash Xen if it pokes at IO ports 0x42, 0x43 or 0x61. Completely remove the
>>>>>> PV PIT handler and move the PIT initialization to HVM guests only.
>>>>>
>>>>> As said on IRC - this is needed for Dom0 to be able to drive the
>>>>> PC speaker. You'll need to provide a fix for the suppressed
>>>>> initialization instead, at least for Dom0. (As an aside, your patch
>>>>> orphans hwdom_pit_access().)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the clarification. AFAICT I can leave the usage of
>>>> hwdom_pit_access for Dom0, and completely remove PIT access for DomU, is
>>>> that right?
>>>
>>> I don't think so - see the explanation Tim gave on IRC. Afaict the
>>> mention of BIOS here isn't related to a virtual BIOS, but to that
>>> of a passed through graphics card.
>>
>> I'm sorry but I still don't fully understand why that's needed, and it
>> arises a couple of questions. First of all, the only reference that I
>> can find about BIOS and i8254 usage is regarding VGA BIOS POST [0],
>> where they mention that the VGA POST method might make use of the i8254.
>>
>> This seems reasonable, but I still don't understand why we provide an
>> emulated i8254 to DomUs. They don't have access to the low 1MB, which is
>> where the VGA BIOS resides, so there's no way they can call into the VGA
>> POST at all.
> 
> All of this arrangement predates me, but see the original change
> introducing this: "Provide PV guests with emulated PIT", which
> suggests this wasn't just for Dom0. I'm hesitant to accept removal
> of code when we don't know exactly by whom and for what purpose
> it might be used. When I enabled Dom0 speaker control, I
> intentionally retained the original code for DomU purposes.

What about we do the following: enable the PIT for PV(H) guests
(DomU/Dom0), and completely remove it for HVMlite guests for the moment?

We might consider enabling it for HVMlite, but the plan is that this
could be done on a per-domain basis using the flags in the
xen_arch_domainconfig struct.

Roger.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-14 14:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-13 12:32 [PATCH 0/5] HVMlite: minor fixes and Dom0 preparatory patches Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 12:32 ` [PATCH 1/5] xen/elfnotes: initialise phys_entry to UNSET_ADDR32 Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 12:46   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 12:52     ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-01-13 13:02       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 13:05         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-13 13:08           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 13:10             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-13 12:32 ` [PATCH 2/5] libelf: rewrite symtab/strtab loading for Dom0 Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 12:32 ` [PATCH 3/5] x86/hvm: don't set the BSP as initialised in hvm_vcpu_initialise Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 16:29   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 17:23     ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-01-14  9:07       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 12:32 ` [PATCH 4/5] x86/PV: remove the emulated PIT Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 16:36   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-14  8:25     ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-01-14  9:11       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-14 10:59         ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-01-14 12:38           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-14 14:03             ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2016-01-14 14:36               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 12:32 ` [PATCH 5/5] x86/HVM: don't setup an intercept handler for IO port 0xcf8 unconditionally Roger Pau Monne
2016-01-13 16:38   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-13 16:45     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-13 16:48     ` Paul Durrant
2016-01-14  8:35       ` Roger Pau Monné
2016-01-14  9:12         ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-14 10:50           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-14 11:00             ` Roger Pau Monné

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