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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Xiao Guangrong <guangrong.xiao@linux.intel.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xen.org, Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] hvmloader: add support to load extra ACPI tables from qemu
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 13:16:28 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <569F88AC.40100@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <569F6336.2040104@linux.intel.com>

On 20/01/16 10:36, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 01/20/2016 06:15 PM, Haozhong Zhang wrote:
>
>> CCing QEMU vNVDIMM maintainer: Xiao Guangrong
>>
>>> Conceptually, an NVDIMM is just like a fast SSD which is linearly
>>> mapped
>>> into memory.  I am still on the dom0 side of this fence.
>>>
>>> The real question is whether it is possible to take an NVDIMM, split it
>>> in half, give each half to two different guests (with appropriate NFIT
>>> tables) and that be sufficient for the guests to just work.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, one NVDIMM device can be split into multiple parts and assigned
>> to different guests, and QEMU is responsible to maintain virtual NFIT
>> tables for each part.
>>
>>> Either way, it needs to be a toolstack policy decision as to how to
>>> split the resource.
>
> Currently, we are using NVDIMM as a block device and a DAX-based
> filesystem
> is created upon it in Linux so that file-related accesses directly reach
> the NVDIMM device.
>
> In KVM, If the NVDIMM device need to be shared by different VMs, we can
> create multiple files on the DAX-based filesystem and assign the file to
> each VMs. In the future, we can enable namespace (partition-like) for
> PMEM
> memory and assign the namespace to each VMs (current Linux driver uses
> the
> whole PMEM as a single namespace).
>
> I think it is not a easy work to let Xen hypervisor recognize NVDIMM
> device
> and manager NVDIMM resource.
>
> Thanks!
>

The more I see about this, the more sure I am that we want to keep it as
a block device managed by dom0.

In the case of the DAX-based filesystem, I presume files are not
necessarily contiguous.  I also presume that this is worked around by
permuting the mapping of the virtual NVDIMM such that the it appears as
a contiguous block of addresses to the guest?

Today in Xen, Qemu already has the ability to create mappings in the
guest's address space, e.g. to map PCI device BARs.  I don't see a
conceptual difference here, although the security/permission model
certainly is more complicated.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-20 13:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-29 11:31 [PATCH 0/4] add support for vNVDIMM Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 1/4] x86/hvm: allow guest to use clflushopt and clwb Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 15:46   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-30  1:35     ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-30  2:16       ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-30 10:33         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 2/4] x86/hvm: add support for pcommit instruction Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 3/4] tools/xl: add a new xl configuration 'nvdimm' Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-04 11:16   ` Wei Liu
2016-01-06 12:40   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-06 15:28     ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-12-29 11:31 ` [PATCH 4/4] hvmloader: add support to load extra ACPI tables from qemu Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-15 17:10   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-18  0:52     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-18  8:46       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-19 11:37         ` Wei Liu
2016-01-19 11:46           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20  5:14             ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-20  5:58               ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20  5:31         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20  8:46           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20  8:58             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 10:15               ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 10:36                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 13:16                   ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-01-20 14:29                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:42                       ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 14:45                       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 14:53                         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:13                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 15:29                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:41                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 15:54                                 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-21  3:35                                 ` Bob Liu
2016-01-20 15:05                         ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 18:14                           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 14:38                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 11:04             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 11:20               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20 15:29                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 15:47                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 16:25                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 16:47                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 16:55                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 17:18                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-20 17:23                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-20 17:48                               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-21  3:12                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 17:07                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-20 17:17                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  8:18                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21  8:25                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  8:53                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21  9:10                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2016-01-21  9:29                               ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-21 10:26                                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21 10:25                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-21 14:01                                 ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-21 14:52                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-22  2:43                                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 11:44                                     ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 12:44                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 12:54                                         ` Juergen Gross
2016-01-26 14:44                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-26 15:37                                             ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 15:57                                               ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 16:34                                                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-26 19:32                                                   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-27  7:22                                                     ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-27 10:16                                                     ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-27 14:50                                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-27 10:55                                                   ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 13:58                                         ` George Dunlap
2016-01-26 14:46                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-26 15:30                                         ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 15:33                                           ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-26 15:57                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-01-27  2:23                                             ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20 15:07               ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-01-06 15:37 ` [PATCH 0/4] add support for vNVDIMM Ian Campbell
2016-01-06 15:47   ` Haozhong Zhang
2016-01-20  3:28 ` Tian, Kevin
2016-01-20 12:43   ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:26     ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20 14:35       ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-01-20 14:47         ` Zhang, Haozhong
2016-01-20 14:54           ` Andrew Cooper
2016-01-20 15:59             ` Haozhong Zhang

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