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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Corneliu ZUZU <czuzu@bitdefender.com>, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/hvm: Fix use-after-free introduced by c/s 428607a
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 12:05:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56B09B7F.8080307@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56B0955D.2010002@bitdefender.com>

On 02/02/16 11:39, Corneliu ZUZU wrote:
> On 2/2/2016 12:52 PM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>> NULLing the pointers would cause things like rtc_deinit() to always
>>> blow
>>> up when it followed the NULL pointer.
>>>
>>> IMO, we should unconditionally always NULL pointers when freeing a
>>> pointer which isn't in local scope.  It would make issues such as these
>>> completely obvious.
>> As would poisoning the pointers, yet poisoning has the advantage
>> of not allowing PV guests to control what the hypervisor might
>> access when erroneously de-referencing such a pointer.
>>
>> Jan
>
> Jan, that sounds interesting. I hope I'm not intruding, but when you
> have the time, could you please expand on this?
> Besides distinguishing a nuked pointer from zeroed-out memory, I did
> not know of any other advantage of 0xDEADBEEF pointer poisoning
> (generally or specifically).

Xen is 64bit only these days.  Bit 47 of a 64bit pointer must be signed
extended, or a #GP fault occurs because of the use of a non-canonical
address.

Therefore, a pointer such as 0xdeadc0de00000000ULL will unconditionally
cause a #GP fault if Xen accidentally used it.

> How could possibly setting a pointer to NULL allow a PV guest to
> control what the hypervisor might access, if the hypervisor *can't
> access* a NULL pointer?
> And can a PV guest write data @ *hypervisor's* 0 page  (virtual and/or
> physical)?

Xen and PV guests share the virtual address space, in exactly the same
way as a native kernel and its userspace.  PV guests can map pages at 0.

Therefore, if Xen were to accidentally follow a NULL pointer, it may not
result in a pagefault.  (Hardware mechanisms such as SMEP and SMAP are
added protection against this, but don't work on older hardware)

~Andrew

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-02 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-01 17:56 [PATCH] x86/hvm: Fix use-after-free introduced by c/s 428607a Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02  8:00 ` Corneliu ZUZU
2016-02-02 10:04   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 10:43 ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 10:48   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 10:52     ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 10:57       ` Andrew Cooper
2016-02-02 11:39       ` Corneliu ZUZU
2016-02-02 11:44         ` Jan Beulich
2016-02-02 12:05         ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-02-02 12:51           ` Corneliu ZUZU

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