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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>
Cc: Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 08/28] xen/x86: Annotate VM applicability in featureset
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 13:39:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56EFF998.5020904@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56EFEEDF02000078000DEC8B@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 21/03/16 11:53, Jan Beulich wrote:

>>>> +XEN_CPUFEATURE(X2APIC,        1*32+21) /*A  Extended xAPIC */
>>> Does this make sense for PV?
>> It is currently visible, and we already have to leak APIC through to PV
>> guests.
> Having to leak on piece of state doesn't mean when need to leak
> more, when that's clearly impossibly to be meaningful to a guest.

PV guests can already real real APIC IDs out cpu leaves in the masking case.

Now I think about it, this is special just like HTT and CMP_LEGACY, and
must have the host value leaked through to PV guests when masking is in
effect.

>>>> +XEN_CPUFEATURE(HYPERVISOR,    1*32+31) /*A  Running under some hypervisor */
>>> Wouldn't this better be one of the special ones?
>> Why? It doesn't need any special handling in Xen.  For all intents and
>> purposes, it is just like a regular feature bit.
> Except that you don't pass through its host value, but instead
> override it to 1. Which makes it kind of special, I would say.

HVM guests go straight from the toolstack settings.  PV guests have it
unilaterally set.

I suppose this does qualify for special under the guidelines I was
using.  I suspect it is only unilaterally set so it appears as set to
dom0.  DomUs also have it unilaterally set by the toolstack.

I suspect it makes very little difference for a PV guest, which knows
for certain that it is virtualised.


>>>> +XEN_CPUFEATURE(LM,            2*32+29) /*A  Long Mode (x86-64) */
>>> I think I had asked before, but doesn't the customization needed
>>> for 32-bit PV guests also rather make this a special one?
>> Why would it?  It is a simple feature which isn't present for 32bit guests.
> Together with the above the question really is: What exactly makes
> a feature special? The need for run time overrides, or something
> more sophisticated?

"Things which Xen has to deal specially with", which includes
conditionally leaking host state through.

~Andrew

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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-15 15:34 [PATCH RFC v3 00/28] x86: Improvements to cpuid handling for guests Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] xen/x86: Drop unused and non-useful feature definitions Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  7:53   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-16  9:49     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 14:06   ` Doug Goldstein
2016-03-22 14:38     ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] xen/x86: Rename features to be closer to the vendor definitions Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:01   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 19:46     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:34 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] xen/public: Export cpu featureset information in the public API Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:32   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-22 10:39     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-18 15:52   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] xen/x86: Script to automatically process featureset information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:41   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] xen/x86: Collect more cpuid feature leaves Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16  8:50   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] xen/x86: Mask out unknown features from Xen's capabilities Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:01   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] xen/x86: Annotate special features Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:04   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 16:29   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] xen/x86: Annotate VM applicability in featureset Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:15   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 16:57   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-18 18:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 11:53       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-21 13:39         ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] xen/x86: Calculate maximum host and guest featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:24   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-18 17:09   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 11:23     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 12:39       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 14:37         ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 14:52           ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:01             ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 16:10               ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] xen/x86: Generate deep dependencies of features Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 19:45   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 20:14     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 20:32       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-21 15:41   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] xen/x86: Clear dependent features when clearing a cpu cap Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 19:51   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-17 19:56     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-28 15:02       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-03-21 15:45   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] xen/x86: Improve disabling of features which have dependencies Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] xen/x86: Improvements to in-hypervisor cpuid sanity checks Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:11   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:30     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] x86/cpu: Move set_cpumask() calls into c_early_init() Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:16   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] x86/cpu: Sysctl and common infrastructure for levelling context switching Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 17:35   ` Joao Martins
2016-03-15 19:29     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 19:34       ` Joao Martins
2016-03-21 16:23   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 15:57     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 16:16       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] x86/cpu: Rework AMD masking MSR setup Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:51   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-21 16:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] x86/cpu: Rework Intel masking/faulting setup Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:44   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] x86/cpu: Context switch cpuid masks and faulting state in context_switch() Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] x86/pv: Provide custom cpumasks for PV domains Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 16:53   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] x86/domctl: Update PV domain cpumasks when setting cpuid policy Andrew Cooper
2016-03-21 17:06   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 16:37     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-22 16:51       ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] xen+tools: Export maximum host and guest cpu featuresets via SYSCTL Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-16 20:38     ` David Scott
2016-03-22  8:43   ` Jan Beulich
2016-03-22 20:39     ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] tools/libxc: Modify bitmap operations to take void pointers Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 15:24   ` Andrew Cooper
2016-03-17 12:17   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] tools/libxc: Use public/featureset.h for cpuid policy generation Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] tools/libxc: Expose the automatically generated cpu featuremask information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] tools: Utility for dealing with featuresets Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] tools/libxc: Wire a featureset through to cpuid policy logic Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 27/28] tools/libxc: Use featuresets rather than guesswork Andrew Cooper
2016-03-15 15:35 ` [PATCH v3 28/28] tools/libxc: Calculate xstate cpuid leaf from guest information Andrew Cooper
2016-03-16 18:23   ` Wei Liu

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