From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Razvan Cojocaru <rcojocaru@bitdefender.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>
Cc: wei.liu2@citrix.com, george.dunlap@eu.citrix.com,
ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com, tim@xen.org, xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
paul.durrant@citrix.com, andrew.cooper3@citrix.com, keir@xen.org
Subject: Re: [for-4.7] x86/emulate: synchronize LOCKed instruction emulation
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:46:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <570F4ABA.4080400@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <570F3948.9070704@bitdefender.com>
On 14/04/16 08:31, Razvan Cojocaru wrote:
> On 04/14/16 09:09, Juergen Gross wrote:
>> On 14/04/16 07:56, Razvan Cojocaru wrote:
>>> This indeed doesn't guard against LOCKed instructions being run in
>>> parallel with and without emulation, however that is a case that should
>>> almost never occur - at least not with introspection, where currently
>>> all emulation happens as a result of EPT faults - so either all
>>> instructions hitting a restricted page are emulated, or all ar run
>>> directly. As long as all emulation can safely run in parallel and all
>>> parallel non-emulation is also safe, it should be alright. But, yes,
>>> this patch doesn't cover the case you're mentioning.
>>
>> What about grant pages? There could be parallel accesses from different
>> domains, one being introspected, the other not.
>
> I'm not familiar with the code there, but the main issue is, I think,
> LOCKed instructions that access (read / write) the same memory area - as
> long as that doesn't happen, it should be fine, which may be the reason
> why it hasn't caused problems so far.
Depends on the guest, I suppose. :-)
I've been bitten by this before in my former position: we had a custom
pv-driver in dom0 which wasn't using LOCKed instructions accessing a
grant page. Reason was dom0 had one vcpu only and the Linux kernel
patched all LOCKs away as it didn't deem them being necessary. This
resulted in a very hard to debug communication failure between domU
and dom0.
> While not perfect, I believe that the added safety is worth the small
> performance impact for writes. I feel that going from unsafe parallel
> emulation to safe parallel emulation is a good step to take, at least
> until the problem can be fixed completely by more complex measures.
I'm fine with you saying for your use case the solution is good enough.
Just wanted to point out a possible problem. This might not happen
for most guest types, but you can't be sure. :-)
Juergen
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Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-13 12:26 [for-4.7] x86/emulate: synchronize LOCKed instruction emulation Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 4:35 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 5:56 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 6:09 ` Juergen Gross
2016-04-14 6:31 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 7:46 ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2016-04-14 8:01 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-14 8:18 ` Juergen Gross
2016-04-14 8:25 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 8:07 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-14 8:09 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 9:08 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 15:33 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 15:44 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 16:00 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 16:11 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 8:51 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 15:31 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 15:40 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 10:35 ` David Vrabel
2016-04-14 11:43 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 15:40 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 15:45 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-14 16:08 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-18 12:14 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-18 16:45 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-19 11:01 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-19 16:35 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-26 16:03 ` George Dunlap
2016-04-26 17:23 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-04-26 17:39 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-27 6:25 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-27 7:36 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-27 6:22 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-27 7:14 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-05-03 14:20 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-05-03 14:30 ` Jan Beulich
2016-05-03 14:41 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-05-03 15:13 ` Jan Beulich
2016-05-04 11:32 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-05-04 13:42 ` Jan Beulich
2016-05-05 9:25 ` Razvan Cojocaru
2016-05-05 16:38 ` Jan Beulich
2016-04-14 15:45 ` Andrew Cooper
2016-04-14 16:09 ` Jan Beulich
2016-05-13 15:27 ` Wei Liu
2016-05-13 15:51 ` Jan Beulich
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