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From: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
Cc: StefanoStabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com>, Tim Deegan <tim@xen.org>,
	Anthony Perard <anthony.perard@citrix.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	dgdegra@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: Device model operation hypercall (DMOP, re qemu depriv)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 14:02:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <57A099DA.1030003@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57A0A6F00200007800101BCB@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>

On 02/08/16 12:58, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 02.08.16 at 13:38, <wei.liu2@citrix.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 06:41:20AM -0600, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 01.08.16 at 13:32, <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>>>> 4. We could invent a new hypercall `DMOP' for hypercalls which device
>>>>    models should be able to use, which always has the target domain in
>>>>    a fixed location in the arguments.  We have the dom0 privcmd driver
>>>>    know about this one hypercall number and the location of the target
>>>>    domid.
>>>>
>>>> Option 4 has the following advantages:
>>>>
>>>> * The specification of which hypercalls are authorised to qemu is
>>>>   integrated with the specification of the hypercalls themselves:
>>>>   There is no need to maintain a separate table which can get out of
>>>>   step (or contain security bugs).
>>>>
>>>> * The changes required to the rest of the system are fairly small.
>>>>   In particular:
>>>>
>>>> * We need only one small, non-varying, patch to the dom0 kernel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me flesh out option 4 in more detail:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We define a new hypercall DMOP.
>>>>
>>>> Its first argument is always a target domid.  The DMOP hypercall
>>>> number and position of the target domid in the arguments are fixed.
>>>>
>>>> A DMOP is defined to never put at risk the stability or security of
>>>> the whole system, nor of the domain which calls DMOP.  However, a DMOP
>>>> may have arbitrary effects on the target domid.
>>>
>>> With the exception of this and the privcmd layer described below,
>>> DMOP == HVMCTL afaics. The privcmd layer is independent anyway.
>>> And the security aspect mentioned above won't disappear if we
>>> use DMOP instead of HVMCTL. So I don't see why the hvmctl
>>> series as is can't be the starting point of this, with the stability/
>>> security concerns addressed subsequently, for being orthogonal.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, to turn HVMCTL to DMOP:
>>
>> 1. s/HVMCTL/DMOP/
>> 2. maybe s/interface_version//
> 
> Andrew had brought up 2 too, but I'm really not sure that'd be a
> good idea. I rather think we should keep it but maybe (other than
> domctl/sysctl) recognize older versions. In any event I consider
> having it better for an unstable interface (as Ian said, libxc is
> supposed to provide the stable one).

A stable user space library API is no good for an in-kernel emulator,
like that needed for Intel GVT-g -- the hypercall ABI needs to be stable.

David

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02 13:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-28 17:01 XenProject/XenServer QEMU working group, Friday 8th July, 2016, 15:00 Jennifer Herbert
2016-08-01 11:32 ` Device model operation hypercall (DMOP, re qemu depriv) Ian Jackson
2016-08-01 12:41   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-02 11:38     ` Wei Liu
2016-08-02 11:58       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-02 13:02         ` David Vrabel [this message]
2016-08-02 13:29           ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-03 10:29       ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-03 12:03         ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-03 13:37           ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-03 14:16             ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-03 14:21               ` George Dunlap
2016-08-03 16:10                 ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-03 16:18                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-04 11:21                     ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-04 13:24                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-05 16:28                         ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-08 11:18                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-08 13:46                             ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-08 14:07                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 11:38                                 ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-26 12:58                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 14:35                                     ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-26 15:13                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-30 11:02                                         ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-30 21:47                                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-09-02 14:08                                           ` Wei Liu
2016-08-09 10:29                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-09 10:48                                 ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-09 11:30                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-12  9:44                                     ` George Dunlap
2016-08-12 11:50                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-15  9:39                                         ` George Dunlap
2016-08-15 10:19                                           ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-15 10:47                                             ` George Dunlap
2016-08-15 11:20                                               ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-15 12:07                                                 ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-15 14:20                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-15 14:57                                                 ` George Dunlap
2016-08-15 15:22                                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-15 14:50                                 ` David Vrabel
2016-08-15 15:24                                   ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-26 11:29                                     ` Ian Jackson
2016-08-26 12:58                                       ` Jan Beulich
2016-08-02 11:37   ` Wei Liu
2016-08-02 11:42     ` George Dunlap
2016-08-02 12:34       ` Wei Liu
2016-09-09 15:16   ` Jennifer Herbert
2016-09-09 15:34     ` David Vrabel
2016-09-12 13:47     ` George Dunlap
2016-09-12 14:32     ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-13 10:37       ` George Dunlap
2016-09-13 11:53         ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-13 16:07       ` David Vrabel
2016-09-14  9:51         ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-21 11:21           ` Ian Jackson
2016-09-21 11:28             ` George Dunlap
2016-09-21 11:58               ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-21 11:55             ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-21 12:23               ` Device model operation hypercall (DMOP, re qemu depriv) [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2016-09-21 12:48                 ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-21 13:24                   ` Ian Jackson
2016-09-21 13:56                     ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-21 15:06                       ` Ian Jackson
2016-09-21 17:09                       ` George Dunlap
2016-09-22  8:47                         ` Jan Beulich
2016-09-09 16:18 ` XenProject/XenServer QEMU working group minutes, 30th August 2016 Jennifer Herbert
2016-09-12  7:16   ` Juergen Gross
2016-10-14 18:01   ` QEMU XenServer/XenProject Working group meeting 29th September 2016 Jennifer Herbert
2016-10-18 19:54     ` Stefano Stabellini
2016-10-20 17:37       ` Lars Kurth
2016-10-20 18:53         ` Stefano Stabellini
2017-02-28 18:18     ` QEMU XenServer/XenProject Working group meeting 10th February 2017 Jennifer Herbert
2017-06-05 13:48       ` QEMU XenServer/XenProject Working group meeting 10th May 2017 Jennifer Herbert

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